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post #46 of 59
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

UE 900 has more air to my ears.

is that because it has additional bore hole ?

 

 

 

the top one is for subwoofer I guess.

post #47 of 59
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Originally Posted by JohnSantana View Post

is that because it has additional bore hole ?

 

 

 

the top one is for subwoofer I guess.

 

That shouldn't have anything to do with it.  It deals more with high end extension vs mid-bass really.

post #48 of 59
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So I have had W4 for about 5 months total.  The illness of this hobby has forced me to give the UE900 another go.  Luckily I have seemed to have gotten a fully functioning good pair after (2) mishaps back in January.

 

Anyway, after a couple days with them I have some comments.  I agree with most of what has been posted above but another opinion/perspective is always helpful too.  Call it the non-technical perspective.

 

No question W4 and UE900 are top-notch sounding IEM’s but I have a love/hate relationship with both of them.  With the W4, the very thing (lower mid boost) that makes it sort of dark and slightly “off” sounding to my ears, also makes it perhaps the best universal I have ever heard for vocals….just sensational.  That very lush midrange is W4’s best trait while I would call the bass, treble and soundstage all very good but not sensational in any way.

 

With UE900, while it doesn’t have “lushness” to it, I DO find the entire presentation generally more cohesive and open sounding.  It sounds very linear throughout the whole spectrum as well.  It's certainly not bright sounding but a bit airier than W4. When you add in a large soundstage and (what I think is) sensational imaging and sound placement, it creates a very euphoric and pleasurable listening experience with just about any kind of music.  While vocals aren’t quite as good as W4, they are still very good.  I DO prefer the bass as a whole with UE900.  I find it more complete and linear sounding and, quite, frankly….I do NOT hear more bass with W4 like everyone else seems to.  W4 might be punchier but I almost want to say I hear more with UE900 since it sounds fuller DEEP down.  Oddly, I hear NO difference amped or un-amped with UE900 (Ibasso T3 analog).

 

What really drives me crazy about both of these IEM’s is the veil.  I scratch my head and ask, “what are the manufacture’s so afraid of?”  Apparently they do not want a fatiguing presentation but must they go so far the other way?  With both of these, a quad driver should have more transparency IMHO. 

At this point I can’t say which one I like better.  I could see W4 being the choice if you listen to mostly vocal but only maybe 15% of my music is with vocals.  I’ve always been a sucker for a big-sounding, spacious and cohesive presentation and I think UE900 does this a bit better.

 

As a sidenote, I find both unlistenable (boring and lifeless) without a slight EQ bump.  Using “jazz” setting on the Classic which just slightly tips the top and bottom.

post #49 of 59

I think that Ue900 is sounding like Westone Um3x. It has better mids than w4. Also, in my opinion, Ue900 has a little bit larger soundstage than W4.

post #50 of 59
Thread Starter 

For what it's worth, among all the IEM's I have owned I am thinking the UE900 is closest to Senn IE8 with less bass.  Same big expansive sound, rolled off treble and a nice big veil thing going.

post #51 of 59

100% agree, I just picked up a pair myself and I noticed the same thing! The 350vi's had more bass than these, butttt the 900's had everything else i wanted the 350vi's to have. Gotta love trade offs beyersmile.png

post #52 of 59
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

W4R is basically a relaunch of the W4 with removeable cables.  The regular 4 is the one that is cheaper tongue.gif  If you are talking about the 'R' model, it's really only more expensive because it is newer (which is why I'd recommend the 4 over the 4R; unless you really need the removeable cable).

Imo thays not exactly true. Yes the R has the removeable cable. But having that removeable cable also allows you to improve the spund signature with a cable upgrade. So the R have the potential to have a great sound sognature over just the w4
post #53 of 59
Cable upgrades only upgrade sound if they add impedance. Simply use a 33ohm resistor and you get more benefits than any cable can, which can be done on either W4 or W4R
post #54 of 59
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Cable upgrades only upgrade sound if they add impedance. Simply use a 33ohm resistor and you get more benefits than any cable can, which can be done on either W4 or W4R

Where can I find resistors? I'm sick of believing in cables now. They make smallest improvements for cost of +$200. Resistors sounds more logical to me than cables.

post #55 of 59
It depends on the IEM, with the Shure SE535 cables would be the only option, though yes a marginal increase in quality [dampers do a better job]. Resistor plugs can be found on eBay or google liaail sound capsule which is a cable adapter with 33ohms. W4 simply gets better with resistance
post #56 of 59
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

It depends on the IEM, with the Shure SE535 cables would be the only option, though yes a marginal increase in quality [dampers do a better job]. Resistor plugs can be found on eBay or google liaail sound capsule which is a cable adapter with 33ohms. W4 simply gets better with resistance

I was looking for one for a UERM.

post #57 of 59
Not a good idea either, UERM doesn't like resistance
post #58 of 59
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Not a good idea either, UERM doesn't like resistance

ooh. ok

post #59 of 59

i think UE900 is more passionate , while W4 is more balanced. it is just up to your taste.

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