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Listening Impressions: Toxic Silver Poison/ TWag v2 Gold & Toxic Scorpion/ TWcu v3

post #1 of 38
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I have been using several third party cables with my previous ES5 and current Miracles. They include TWag v1, v2, TWcu 26 and Silver Dragon.

 

I recently sold my Silver Dragon and am on the lookout for copper cables for use with my Miracle and 3rd Anniversary Studio V. With the help of some very nice chaps in the local forums here in Singapore, I managed to audition Silver Poison and Scorpion of Toxic Cables, and also TWag v2 Gold and TWcu v3 of Whiplash Audio.

 

I would like to share the impressions of what I heard with the local forum and would also like to share it with the community here. The listening is done with my Miracle customs and Studio V with FLAC files. I listen to a variety of music, and used tracks from Michael Buble, Chris Botti, Corrinne May, Adele, John Mayer, Prudence Liew and Kit Chan.

 

 

 

TWag v2 gold
I am happy to say that TWag v2 gold sounds very good. It is significantly better sounding than the old v2. The added gold content in the new cable addresses the issues that plagues traditional silver cables: the lack of bass impact and the "oh-too-clean-details". The bass now has more impact, better texture and slightly more in quantity compared to the old v2.

Tonality wise, the sound signature is now fuller, sweeter sounding for vocals and slightly warmer. Despite introducing more warmth, clarity has actually improved. Details are more forthcoming and apparent in the new cable compared to the old v2.

As a direct result of the added warmth, the mids now sound better. Tracks with vocals now sound better with more emotions and feelings.

Staging performance has also improved over the old v2. It is now has more width with better layering in terms of depth.

Treble is still well extended and very smooth despite the added warmth. It has the ever so slight sparkle of the usual silver cables, but it never overdoes it.
 


Here comes the million dollar question: is the TWag v2 gold a better performing cable compared to Toxic Cable's Silver Poison? The long answer is: it depends on the customs/ IEMs that you are gonna pair the cables with. I always tell my friends this: at a high level of portable rigs of customs/ amps/ source trinity, weather or not a complete rig sounds good or not always depends on equipment pairing. You always need to consider the customs/ IEMs you have and decide how to fine tune the sound signature.
 


For me personally, the Silver Poison edges TWag v2 gold with my Miracle. I cannot speak for others, but as far as I am concern, Miracle's forte is its treble and staging performance while bass is its weakness.

Comparing Silver Poison to TWag v2 gold, the former has a more kick ass bass, while maintaing an amazing amount of definition. This is high quality bass with even better texture and impact, combined even more bass quantity than TWag v2 gold. To be honest, while I am impressed with how TWag v2 gold performed in the bass department, I have to say I am amazed how Frank has juggled with the bass quantity, texture and impact without it bleeding into the other frequencies. I am more of a treblehead than basshead; give me a modest amount of bass and I can generally live with it. The bass performance of Silver Poison is just excellent; I did not think it is possible to extract bass of such quality from silver cables.

Tonality wise, Silver Poison is heavier and slightly warmer. Again, the overall tonality of Silver Poison impressed me to no bounds. The rule of thumb in audio is if one is to introduce more warmth to the frequency, something usually has to sacrifice. The quality to be sacrificed for more warmth is usually clarity. However, despite being slightly warmer, the clarity of Silver Poison is on par with TWag v2 gold. That is extremely impressive, as Frank just showed be how he defied a basic rule of audio.

Mids wise, I prefer Silver Poison's presentation. There is not much in between the 2 cables, but Silver Poison just shades it for me as vocals sounds slightly more emotional due to the slight warmer signature, while retaining the same amount of clarity.

For me, Silver Poison performed better in soundstage. It sounded wider and deeper in soundstage than TW v2 gold, while also comes across as more spacious sounding. The difference between to the 2 cables is not big, but it is noticable to me.

Treble is better sounding on TWag v2 gold than Silver Poison. This definitely has to do with the tonality differences of the 2 cables. As a direct result of its fuller and warmer tonality, Silver Poison's treble sounds slightly softer than TWag v2 gold's. TWag v2 gold sounds more crisp in the higher end, while retaining a slight sparkle that is missing from Silver Poison. Both cables are equally smooth sounding in the treble section
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The Scorpion/ TWcu v3 impressions to follow later. Gee, a cable review is much tougher than the usual IEMs/ headphones/ amps review, simply because the differences between cables can be rather close.

post #2 of 38
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Part II: TWcu v3 (8 conductors)

I listened to TWcu 26 in the past. I always thought of it as a relatively good cable. Until I had an opportunity to compare it against its successor. Let's just say what I heard wasn't good for 26. Not at all. The new v3 sounded better than the old 26 in every way imaginable.

V3 has good bass performance. It extends deeper than the old 26 and has more impact. The new v3 also has more bass quantity than the old 26. All these improvement, without sounding overwhelming. And the bass doesn't bleed into the other frequencies.

The new v3 also has better tonality. The old 26 now sounds almost so painfully thin in comparison. The new v3 is fuller and warmer sounding. But the clarity is still very good. Good details still can be heard from this cable.

The mids sound clear and sweet. Vocal based tracks sound more emotional and I could swear I could hear Michael Buble crooning his ballad jazz tracks with even more feeling than before. The sound remains clear despite the added warmth. No fight from the old 26 then.

The staging performance has also improved. While the old 26 doesn't sound closed and intimate, the new v3 now sounds more spacious. It also has slightly wider and deeper soundstage. Imaging is also quite good. When playing When I Fall in Love from the album Chris Botti in Boston, I could pin point the various instruments with ease.

Treble remains well extended and smooth in both the v3 and 26. It however, lacks the slight sparkle that the new TWag v2 gold has. I listened to the v3 for around 20 minutes and didn't feel any fatigue setting in (I know, it's only 20 minutes), and I can safely say fatigue will not set in even in longer listening sessions.


The above are my listening impressions of the new TWcu v3 and its comparison against the old TWcu 26. Below will be impressions of v3 against Scorpion from Toxic. Now, I would take the impressions below with a pinch of salt as it's a flawed comparison. The Scorpion that I listened to from my friend is a regular 4 conductor 26 AWG cable, while the v3 I auditioned is a 8 conductor 24.5 AWG cable. It's a case of apples vs oranges. Ultimately flawed and not very relevant.


If the bass on v3 is good, the bass on Scorpion is just AWESOME. I have never heard bass of this level in any IEM cable, period. The impact is amazing and the bass runs so deep with the Scorpion. V3 simply cannot match Scorpion's bass impact, depth and quantity. All these while maintaining the definition of Scorpion's bass. I have no idea how Frank does it honestly. What makes it more astonishing for me is that Scorpion here has less conductors (4 vs 8) and is of thinner gauge (26 vs 24.5) compared to v3. Scorpion wins this round hands down.

Tonality wise, Scorpion sounds slightly thicker and warmer than v3. However, as with the Silver Poison/ TWag v2 gold impression, I couldn't help but notice that clarity is on par for both Scorpion and v3. I would however, award a win on technicality for Scorpion; simply because it is more difficult to maintain the same amount of clarity for a thicker and warmer signature.

In mids, both cables display the same sweet signature. Vacal based tracks sound both clear and emotional on both cables. It's a tie here.

If the bass contest ended up a clear win for Scorpion, v3 is now totally annilated in the imaging and staging contest. The v3 sounds relatively spacious with good imaging. Scorpion matched that, and raised the stakes. It sounds more spacious, with a killer 3 dimensional sounding imaging. While listening to a live recording of Chris Botti in Boston, I could hear his trumpet and other instruments with amazing imaging; it is as though I am transported to Wilshire Theatre itself. Earily good. Scorpion also scored for me for sounding wider and deeper in the soundstage. No fight here, Scorpion just creamed v3.

The v3 has the better treble, with it extending slightly further than Scorpion, which by all account, sounded slightly soft (but not recessed). It has the better treble energy of the 2. However, v3 lack that bit of sparkle that is present on the TWag v2 gold that I also heard. Clear win for v3 here for me.




As mentioned, this is an unfair comparison as both cables are of different gauge and conductors. Despite so, I never once feel that Scorpion was fighting a losing war. i would choose Scorpion over TWcu v3 anyday. In fact, I am so impressed wih Scorpion, I placed an order for it after listening to my friend's cable. It has a really good synergy with Miracle.

post #3 of 38

Thanks for the comparisons.

 

I have the original TWAG2 on my LCD2.2's and recently bought the Silver Poison for my HE6's and I feel both are excellent cables but being that they are used on different phones a direct comparison is impossible.

 

I did not realize that Whiplash had a new TWAG cable so that is interesting to know but they seem to be significantly more expensive than the Toxic cables.

 

I do disagree though with your opinion that silver cables lack bass impact. Maybe cheap silver cables but I have always found good quality silver cables to have plenty of impact and slam. My system also has pure silver interconnections (Artisan Ultimate Silver Dream) and it has amazing slam and impact when needed, but agian they are good quality silver interconnections.

 

Anyway thanks for the comparisons, I am tempted to get another silver poison for my LCD2's but they sound so good it's not a priority.

post #4 of 38

Thanks for the impressions. A very informative read!

post #5 of 38
Great impressions and review of the cables. Looks like I'm swaying over to the SP for my HD800. Glad to see a fellow Singaporean on here.
post #6 of 38
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I can't speak for the rest. But I once swopped my previous LCD-2 for a friend's HD800 cabled with TWag v2 for 2 weeks.

 

I would definitely go for the SP with HD800. TWag v2 with HD800 still lacked bass for me. And it was too clean sounding.

SP would address HD800's clean sound with a bit of warmth. And the bass impact and quantity definitely wouldn't hurt as well.

 

My 2 cents worth. Nice to know a Singaporean here too!

 

 

 

@cogsand gears

No problem man, just trying to share more information with the community here.

 

Thing with cable comparisons are they can be quite subtle sometimes.


Edited by Joe-Siow - 11/15/12 at 6:51am
post #7 of 38
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Thanks for the comparisons.

 

I have the original TWAG2 on my LCD2.2's and recently bought the Silver Poison for my HE6's and I feel both are excellent cables but being that they are used on different phones a direct comparison is impossible.

 

I did not realize that Whiplash had a new TWAG cable so that is interesting to know but they seem to be significantly more expensive than the Toxic cables.

 

I do disagree though with your opinion that silver cables lack bass impact. Maybe cheap silver cables but I have always found good quality silver cables to have plenty of impact and slam. My system also has pure silver interconnections (Artisan Ultimate Silver Dream) and it has amazing slam and impact when needed, but agian they are good quality silver interconnections.

 

Anyway thanks for the comparisons, I am tempted to get another silver poison for my LCD2's but they sound so good it's not a priority.

 

 

Hi! Personally, I have used silver cables most of the time with my customs. Maybe it's the smaller setup, but I generally feel that silver cables lack the impact. Except Moon Audio's Silver Dragon. That cable has a pretty good bass performance, though it sound pretty clinical with my Miracle at times.

 

It is my belief that at this level, equipment pairing is extremely important. TWag with LCD-2 should be a very fine combination, as with HE6 with Silver Poison.

post #8 of 38
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Originally Posted by Joe-Siow View Post

I can't speak for the rest. But I once swopped my previous LCD-2 for a friend's HD800 cabled with TWag v2 for 2 weeks.

 

I would definitely go for the SP with HD800. TWag v2 with HD800 still lacked bass for me. And it was too clean sounding.

SP would address HD800's clean sound with a bit of warmth. And the bass impact and quantity definitely wouldn't hurt as well.

 

My 2 cents worth. Nice to know a Singaporean here too!

 

Sounds great! Have been waiting for impressions of the SP and I'm glad you posted. With these sensitive IEMs, you can really get close to the 'sound' of the cable and the SP sounds like what I need.

post #9 of 38

Great read, thanks for sharing.

http://www.toxic-cables.co.uk                  PREPARE TO BE INTOXICATED

 

 

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post #10 of 38
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Great read, thanks for sharing.

 

The pleasure is entirely mine

post #11 of 38

Hey Joe

 

Silver Poison V Scorpion......

 

This would be a great review for Miracle Owners

post #12 of 38

You pretty much came to the same conclusion that I did about the Scorpion.  It is a sexy cable!

post #13 of 38
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Originally Posted by maguire View Post

Hey Joe

 

Silver Poison V Scorpion......

 

This would be a great review for Miracle Owners

 

 

Shucks...

 

I ended up ordering both the Silver Poison and Scorpion for my Miracle...

post #14 of 38
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Originally Posted by KimChee View Post

You pretty much came to the same conclusion that I did about the Scorpion.  It is a sexy cable!

 

 

Yeap... It is indeed a very sexy cable...

post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by Joe-Siow View Post

 

 

Shucks...

 

I ended up ordering both the Silver Poison and Scorpion for my Miracle...

 

Very nice. I ordered the SP to go with my HD800. Your review helped to get me off the fence. biggrin.gif

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