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post #256 of 563
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Lol!! I just rearranged my system to accommodate the Daccord and it's not in the most photogenic state at the moment... but I'll see if I can get a few pics for you anyway, evil red LEDs and all wink.gif

 

I'm hoping one of you might be able to help me: my audio stream seems to stutter quite frequently when playing anything (music, video, etc). I use JRMC 18 and played around with the settings on that and dug around their forum a bit (without success) before thinking to try another media player, MediaMonkey. Even with MM, same thing-- stuttering and what might be small dropouts in the sound. Given that multiple different s/w sources on the computer have the same issue, and it was not present prior to my introduction of the Daccord to my system, I'm wondering if that is the culprit. I'm going to try a few other things (swapping out cables, trying a third DAC, etc) to see if I can isolate the issue, but I was hoping one of you might be able to shed a little light on the matter. 

 

So what say you, gents? Any ideas for me? 

 

P.S.-- while I certainly haven't listened enough yet to make definitive statements, I can say that the Daccord sounds quite good to my ears, and that Dr. Meier was right to use the word 'rounded' to describe its sound. I haven't generally been a fan of a rounded-sounding signature in the past, so we'll see if this bad boy can change my mind. I believe it has the potential to, anyway

What kind of computer are your using?


Edited by RUMAY408 - 7/29/13 at 7:50pm

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post #257 of 563

Ugh... Spent about 6 hours today trying to track down the issue, can't find it. Did find another issue with my V-Link 192 not working with my computer for some reason, and I've tried a rather insane amount of things to fix one issue or the other (uninstalling/reinstalling new and old drivers in different combinations, hooking up other gear to troubleshoot, attempting to edit the registry for something that ultimately wasn't even there [nVidia PowerMizer], turning off and on various antivirus and security mechanisms, changing process priorities, running Fidelizer, ending superfluous and possibly conflicting applications, running other media player applications, running JRMC in Admin mode, monitoring CPU utilization to attempt to correlate it with stutters and dropouts, booting up an old laptop and loading drivers on it to contrast with my desktop, swapping cables, stringing together every curse word I know in permutations numbering in the millions I'm sure, etc). 

 

At the moment, I'm back to listening to my Daccord via USB, and trying not to get a Scrat-like eye twitch each time it stutters. Which is a lot. *eye twitch*. 

 

Rumay, to answer your question, I'm running an older HP desktop with a 2.2GHz AMD Phenom quad core processor, Windows 8 Pro 32-bit, 3.0gb of RAM. I bought it from a uber-nerdy gamer buddy of mine when he finished his $3200 replacement computer a couple of years ago. (I figured since my needs were modest, it would probably last me for a while, and thus far it has). 

 

My thought process now is if I can either A). get the [insert vile expletives here] stuttering to stop, or B). get the V-Link 192 working to run into the coaxial input on the Daccord, I'll be doing fine! Naturally, neither of these things currently appears to be an option and, as luck would have it, I'm out of 1554-- the sweet nectar of my sanity. 

 

Apologies for polluting the thread with this issue... Hopefully I can figure out a solution pretty quickly and post it in case somebody else runs into a similar issue. I'm not going to bother Dr. Meier with it yet, as I'm loathe to bring such a nebulous problem to his doorstep (as I'm guessing it's a computer issue at the end of the day, like most of life's problems). If I can't figure it out within the next few days, I'll reach out to him for help. In the meantime, if anyone has any moments of epiphany or sherlockholmesian brilliance, I'd be ever so grateful if you'd be kind enough to share tongue_smile.gif

 

A departing image of my current mascot: 

 

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post #258 of 563

I'm not familiar with the items/software you mentioned, so bear with me...but is the computer the source of all your music files in all these different troubleshooting efforts? And are you connecting via usb cable in each instance? If yes, then I would bet that the problem would disappear if you use a wireless product and run it into the Daccord. Apple air play, sonos, squeezebox, etc. My issue appeared to be related to the usb ports, and I know when I was researching the issue it seemed to be a common problem. Another option that worked to greatly reduce the clicks and stops was the hi-face reclocking usb-to-spdif adapter. But if you can even just order an AppleTV or airport express from amazon or best buy, some place that has a return policy if you end up not wanting to keep it, I would bet that the problem disappears if you go wireless. 

 

Of course, it's almost 3am and I'm overtired and may be talking out my rear, but this has been my experience...the wireless connection is the way to go. I think audioengineusa.com also has some solutions that may work. 

post #259 of 563

FWIW, I've connected the Daccord to my PC through both USB and Optical, and I have not had any stuttering issues at all. I installed Dr. Meier's drivers for USB, and used the Realtek drivers installed on the computer for optical (although I probably have updated those too since I bought the computer). i7-2600K (3.4Ghz non-overclocked) running Windows 7 Home; 16 GB of RAM, music is on an HDD (7200 RPM) but foobar is on an SSD (OCZ Vertex 3 maxiops edition).

 

Good Luck!

post #260 of 563

No problems with MacAir>Amarra 2.5.1>Meier Stock USB 2.0>Daccord

 

If its a windows based computer (and I'm sure it is) then anything from the player to internal settings could be an issue.  I had similar issues with my Mac and ADL GT-40 when I was making vinyl 24/96 rips.  I spent two full days loading and restarting players and changing settings till I had that ADL working right.angry_face.gif

 

I hope you get the issues resolved.  Computer audio can be great when its working right but a down right bitch when its not.

post #261 of 563

If you are using foobar as your player and the USB connection, make sure you select ASIO for C-Media as the device in preferences.

post #262 of 563

@Focker: Yep, I'm using USB, and I don't doubt a bit that it's the root of all evil at least a contributing source to my problems here. Unfortunately, I would LOVE to have a good wireless source, but I've yet to find one within my features/SQ/price range. Based on what I've found, Sonos is very handy but isn't the highest SQ; Airplay not only requires me to use Apple stuff (which I choose not to do), but also doesn't have the highest SQ; and Squeezebox Touch is supposedly mind-blowing for the money, and I bought two of 'em as gifts for family members and was on the very cusp of buying one for myself when I found out that Logitech axed the whole thing and replaced it with a vastly inferior UE-branded product (the irritation of which I'm still not over). I've looked at a CAPS system and something like Project86 uses (Auraliti server, etc), but those are a bit out of my price range at the moment, and seem to offer limited benefits in terms of sound quality over running a direct wired connection. 

 

So I agree, it would be awesome to cut the cord and get a wireless system that does it all without the headaches-- but I'm still searching for a solution that would allow me to do that within the confines of my budget. When I find it, you can join me in an Office Space-style gangland assassination of all my then-superfluous USB cables biggrin.gif

 

@Avi: Thanks, and yeah, I've tried ASIO (and made sure I selected C-Media). Same thing, unfortunately. Not a bad thought though. If  you have any other ideas (even if they seem kinda obvious-- I have a bit of a forest-vs-trees problem when it comes to hunting down obscure problems in my setup), please share them! 

 

@RUMAY408: Couldn't agree more man, and thanks. I'll get it figured out eventually-- it'll just drive me absolutely NUTS until then. (Sidebar: I had an issue with static-y noises and pops frequently in my system that I couldn't get rid of for MONTHS and obsessed over it similarly, before finally trying the aforementioned Fidelizer app which, through some black magic I don't understand at all, fully and permanently fixed the issue. I'm hoping that I can find a similarly effective fix for this issue too.)

 

@All: thanks for the help and well-wishes!! To be clear, I think the issue here is the interaction between the Daccord and my computer, not the Daccord itself. (I hope to confirm this by running the Daccord from my laptop sometime within the next few days). If I do find a silver bullet for this, I'll definitely post it here. In the meantime, again, if anybody has any other ideas on how to fix this puppy-- shoot 'em to me!! ph34r.gif

 

Off to work... There oughtta be a FMLA provision for audio-related gear mishaps. I'm gonna petition my congressman. cool.gif

post #263 of 563

As crazy as this sounds, have you updated the drivers for the on-board DAC? I know it does something as I cannot play 88.2 files through the Daccord via optical, but I can via USB, and I cannot play 32K files through either, even though the Daccord can handle them. Somehow, my motherboard cannot.

 

Although that should prevent you from playing the file, not a stutter. Are the USB ports you are using self-powered? If they are internal, perhaps they are in low-power mode (not full 500mamps). The Daccord is self-powered, but maybe the signal isn't strong enough?

 

I'm brainstorming here; as a fellow member of the Daccord fraternity, I want you to enjoy your unit as quickly as possible! :D

post #264 of 563
Ah okay, so you like your 1s and 0s all shined up and purty...I get it lol. In that case, I'd still suggest at least trying one of these...the guy who designed it is a genius: http://www.amazon.com/M2TECH-hiFace-Hi-End-Interface-connector/dp/B004URVF1W/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375232471&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=hiface+adaptr I think Jan actually sells them...maybe he'll cut you a deal since you just bought from him (?)
Edited by Focker - 7/30/13 at 6:03pm
post #265 of 563

If you use the M2Tech HiFace I'd recommend a short USB extension as the HiFace puts a lot of strain on ports.

post #266 of 563
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Originally Posted by Avi View Post

As crazy as this sounds, have you updated the drivers for the on-board DAC? I know it does something as I cannot play 88.2 files through the Daccord via optical, but I can via USB, and I cannot play 32K files through either, even though the Daccord can handle them. Somehow, my motherboard cannot.

 

Although that should prevent you from playing the file, not a stutter. Are the USB ports you are using self-powered? If they are internal, perhaps they are in low-power mode (not full 500mamps). The Daccord is self-powered, but maybe the signal isn't strong enough?

 

I'm brainstorming here; as a fellow member of the Daccord fraternity, I want you to enjoy your unit as quickly as possible! :D

 

You know what, I haven't updated the drivers for the onboard DAC, but by golly I will now!! :) 

 

As far as my USB ports, I'm running active USB extenders (similar to this, but around 30ft long) into a standard USB 2.0 cable, as I try to keep the fan and drive noise from my computer at a reasonable distance from my listening station (and behind the couch). I can try switching out to a standard USB cable (I have some passive extensions), but I don't hold out a lot of hope for that, honestly. I'm using the same active USB extender now as I did with my previous Yulong DAC. But hey, sure as hell can't hurt, so I'll give 'er a go!!

 

And thanks man wink.gif.

 

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Ah okay, so you like your 1s and 0s all shined up and purty...I get it lol. In that case, I'd still suggest at least trying one of these...the guy who designed it is a genius: http://www.amazon.com/M2TECH-hiFace-Hi-End-Interface-connector/dp/B004URVF1W/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375232471&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=hiface+adaptr I think Jan actually sells them...maybe he'll cut you a deal since you just bought from him (?)

 

You know, I've heard some good things about the HiFace, but also read that several users thought the sound was a lot clearer from the V-Link 192. Who knows? If I can't eventually get this $%^ thing up and running though, I may just have to try that out. Have you used one, by any chance? Love to hear your thoughts! biggrin.gif

 

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If you use the M2Tech HiFace I'd recommend a short USB extension as the HiFace puts a lot of strain on ports.

 

If I go that route, will do!

 

Thanks to everyone for the help and thoughts thus far!! If one of your manages to figure out a solution, I'll... do or say something really nice. How's THAT for an enticement??? atsmile.gif

post #267 of 563
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You know, I've heard some good things about the HiFace, but also read that several users thought the sound was a lot clearer from the V-Link 192. Who knows? If I can't eventually get this $%^ thing up and running though, I may just have to try that out. Have you used one, by any chance? Love to hear your thoughts! biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 

I actually had the Mapleshade records version...there's a somewhat ironic story behind that, but it's not very interesting so I'll spare you all THIS time lol. 

 

But yeah, I picked one up because my mini-optical wasn't worth a damn on my former Dell laptop and my DAC at the time didn't have a USB input. It cleaned up the pops and clicks immediately. The only reason I didn't continue to use it was because I knew I preferred the wireless option having just come from a Squeezebox Duet (damn firmware was buggy....got sick of it after while, but worked great at first). Someone on Audio Circle told me about the Apple AEX and the "remote" app, and once I went that route I was sold on it. I have heard a digital rig that cost far, far, FAR more than anything I'll ever put together, and I honestly couldn't hear any difference between the transport in that rig and a Cheapo PURE dock with an iPod. I just can't discern difference among transports, and that's a GOOD thing lol...I don't WANT to be able to hear any differences dammit biggrin.gif

 

I just hope you get it figured out cause it's getting in the way of your review of the most excellent Meier Daccord! :)

post #268 of 563

Theo do you have an option anywhere for buffer size to the DAC?

 

Increasing that often is a good way to reduce stuttering and dropout, having it too low definitely can cause those issues. 

 

The only difference it will make in playback is a latency of the sound by the buffer size and bitrate (buffer size divided by bitrate). Usually you won't notice it unless you run AD/DA at the same time and use it for live musicians. It won't affect the sound to have higher latency.

post #269 of 563

Okay, quick update: found a newer driver for my Realtek soundcard and installed it. Thus far, it hasn't fixed the issue, but it has made it noticeably better-- the stutters seem much shorter and less intrusive, at least up to this point. It also seems to have altered the sound signature a bit, and my initial impressions are for the better-- although there seems to be a bit more of a treble tilt than before. I wouldn't swear to it, but it sounds like it's there. Then again, I have no idea how updating the driver on the sound card should matter, since my (admittedly poor) understanding was that it was bypassed by the use of a USB DAC. But all in all, a step in the right direction! Nice call, Avi!!

 

@Focker: yeah, what you're describing is kind of what I'd hoped for from the V-Link 192. And it worked flawlessly from my old, crappy laptop-- as completely unhelpful as that is. After the soundcard driver update, I plan to give it a the MF a shot again and see if she'll work this time. Here's hoping ;). 

 

Off to bed for the moment (long day to day, long day tomorrow). Off Thursday though, so hoping to get a chance to jump into this again wholeheartedly then!! In the meantime... This is most definitely an enjoyable, inviting DAC. Pretty damned impressive, if you ask me. You guys weren't lying after all tongue.gif

post #270 of 563

65535: Just saw your message. Yes, I've played with adjusting the latency (both up and down) in JRMC, without effect as far as I could tell. I looked for another way to adjust latency in the Sound portion of the control panel and didn't see one, but I'm open to it if there's another way to go about it! Thanks for the thought!!

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