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Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

This thread is dedicated to the Cirrus Logic flagship DAC chip called...

 

 

CS4398

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This DAC chip sounds pretty good!

 

 

Naturally, in the right circuit with the correct synergy etc.

 

 

No I don't have evidence on paper that it sounds good, that's another discussion, send your hate mail to Cirrus Logic.

 

 

Over time, it's found it's way into several high-end products and become accepted in DIY.

 

 

The List

 

 

Colorfly C4

 

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Naturally this is (or should be) a carefully designed product, from the DAC chip to the capacitors, to the amplification, voltage supply, circuit layout, EMI rejection, teflon, silk, gold-plated terminals and what have you!

 

So I noted it uses the CS3498 DAC chip, and the AD823 op-amp.

 

 

I've been using the AD823 op-amp for a few weeks now, like many others I love the sound of AD823 for some reason.

 

 

 

Colorfly CK4

 

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Another portable device with CS4398.

 

 

I hope this has not changed in later models.

 

It has a line-out and headphone-out, using ADA4075-2 I think.

 

Is it a true line-out?  Have they changed any chips?  Are there any fakes of this?

 

 

 

 

 

No-name CS4398 DIY DAC / ljmaudio.net

 

 

 

 

 

Here is the one I have.  It's not really DIY since you can buy it completely finished, from here - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Finished-CS4398-CS8416-USB-DAC-With-Transformer-case-/120769856777

 

I've used that seller (along1986090) four times now, sometimes he uses DHL and he's very good.  I think he offers 1 year warranty too.

 

If you look at the circuit board on the DAC, it says "ljmaudio.net".

 

 

In my experience, this DAC needs to be modified, with AD797 on the line-out.  You can buy the AD797 from seller aud_jade - http://www.ebay.com/itm/mod-1x-AD797BR-Dual-Mono-Op-amp-module-ultralow-noise-replace-dual-op-/261100530695

 

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The AD797 is a monolithic (mono) chip, so make sure you buy the dual (stereo) version, i.e. with two chips on one.

 

You may want to try AD823 as well.  I bought mine from seller hifi-szjxic - http://www.ebay.com/itm/1X-AD823AR-Dual-16-MHz-Rail-to-Rail-FET-Input-Amplifier-AD823-SOIC-to-DIP-/120777365049

 

You can listen to this DAC without an amplifier if you want to, then you'll need a cable like this - http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-Choseal-Q-374-3-5mm-female-to-AV-RCA-Audio-Adapter-Cable-for-iPod-MP3-MP4-/170750947728

 

 

 

 

 

PD01 v1.1 / Breeze Audio TE7022 / CS4398 DAC by weiliang

 

 

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/PD01-TE7022-CS4398-OPA2132-USB-DAC-with-Headphone-amp-fuction-built-in-case-/110910466646 (seller: along)

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIFI-NEW-Version-DAC-Decoder-TE7022-CS4398-24Bit-96Khz-USB-RCA-headphone-output-/140751305382 (seller: minishow)

 

 

This one is very cheap.  It looks pretty decent overall, it's using TE7022 as the USB chip and OPA2132 as op-amp for the included headphone amplifier.

 

Is it a true line-out or is there a chip for that too?  Not sure.  It's using WIMA 2.2uF capacitors next to the line out too, sorry I am not familiar with these or if they have any effect.

 

 

This could be very excellent value versus sound!  I haven't heard it.

 

 

If you're looking for an equally cheap, excellent value amplifier to use with it, here's one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/260967685182

 

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That's called the RA1 I think (it says Y-191 on the circuit board), it uses two 9V batteries for 18V (+-9V) which means it can supply voltage to op-amps like the OPA627.

 

 

 

 

 

Topping TP-D1 MKII

 

 

This one looks very very pretty.

 

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Topping-TP-D1-MKII-MK2-CS4398-USB-sound-card-USB-decoder-External-For-PC-laptop-/120971828063

 

 

A nice Cirrus Logic Flagship to take to the office.

 

 

This one uses PCM1706 as the USB chip, and OPA2134 as the headphone driver.

 

 

 

It also seems to have line-out and SPDIF out.

 

 

 

 

 

- DAC list to be continued -

 

 

 

 

 

Please leave comments and questions.

 

 

Enjoy high-quality sound for less.


Edited by kiteki - 11/11/12 at 9:43pm
post #2 of 15
Thread Starter 

- saved space -

post #3 of 15

Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro despite being a bit old now use CS4398 (wich is even older 9 year old for CS4398 vs 7 for X-fi)

 

It was the best sound gaming card when released at time , and still a great performer for a internal sound card (when drivers ar ok ...) .


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 11/12/12 at 12:35am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro despite being a bit old now use CS4398 (wich is even older 9 year old for CS4398 vs 7 for X-fi)

 

It is also on the new Sound Blaster Z card, and the Xonar D1 and DX.

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*subscribed*

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post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks very much for adding the sound-cards to the list.  I've used laptops all my life so wouldn't know.

post #7 of 15

Interesting review on the Topping D1. Seems to be the real deal. http://www.head-fi.org/t/636606/topping-d1-mark-2-review#post_8872820  You have to use google translate but the OP seems really impressed with it.

post #8 of 15

The Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII uses the CS4398 DAC as well.

post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

My CS4398 died, I don't have the tools to fix it right now.  I don't mind, the sound was too addictive, moving on to different sound.

post #10 of 15
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post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

Okay I fixed my CS4398, moved back to hi-rez sound, hahaha.

 

 

I found a new one, it's using LT1364 omfffffff!...

 

 

24Bit 32~192KHz Super pro DAC707 USB CS8416+CS4398+CM108AH+LT1364cs DAC
 
 
From Hong Kong
Returns: Accepted within 14 days
 
 
 
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hey everyone,

 

 

I think I found 'it'....

 

 

 

Yes.... IT...............

 

 

The ultimate... no... the perfection............ no.............

 

 

the...

 

 

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NO... THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT!!!

 

 

roy-lichtenstein-ohh-alright-133904.jpg ... different how?

 

 

 

 

It's 1-bit audio.

 

 

 

roy-lichtenstein-pop-art-paintings-1.jpg 1... bit...?

 

 

 

 

Yes, this is normal 16-bit audio, above, versus 1-bit audio ...

 

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The first image is slicing up the signal at 44.1 Kilohertz, the second... at 2.8224 Megahertz, as in, over 2 million times... per second.

 

 

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IT'S NOT HOPELESS !!!!!!

 

 

THIS NEW DAC IS EVEN SLICING UP THE SIGNAL AT...

 

 

OVER 5 MILLION...

 

TIMES...

 

PER...

 

SECOND...

 

image-work-lichtenstein_crying_girl-15383-450-450.jpg ...5 MILLION?

 

 

 

 

YES...

 

 

MAY I PRESENT...

 

 

 

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THE KORG DS-DAC-10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 It's so beautiful ...

 

 

 

 

Yes, it even comes with it's own media player ...

 

 

 

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Which is actually an advanced file editing, conversion and authoring software, used by many studio experts!

 

 

Why do they record in DSD?

 

 

 

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Now here comes the best part... in red...

 

 

DS-DAC-10 : 仕様

 

DAコンバータ Cirrus Logic CS4398
オーディオ・インターフェース チャンネル数 2
入力フォーマット DSD:2.8224MHz/5.6448MHz、1bit
入出力フォーマット PCM:44.1kHz/48kHz/88,2kHz/96kHz/176.4kHz/192kHz、16bit/24bit
ホスト・インターフェース USB2.0(ハイ・スピード)
オーディオ・ドライバー ASIO(DSD再生はASIO2.1以降のDSDオプションに対応)、WDM、Core Audio
一般 インジケータ パワー・インジケータ、サンプリング周波数インジケータ x 8(LED)
電源 USBバス・パワー(5V 最大500mA)
消費電力 最大2.5W
外形寸法 120(W)x 150(D)x 48(H)mm(突起部含む)
重量 530g
主要規格 周波数特性 10Hz~20kHz ±1dB(fs=44.1kHz/48kHz)
10Hz~40kHz ±1dB
S/N 105dB(TYP.)20Hz~20kHz、IHF-A
THD+N 0.005%(TYP.)20Hz~20kHz
LINE OUT L/R コネクター RCAピン・ジャック
出力負荷インピーダンス 10kΩ以上
規定レベル -6dBV
最大レベル +6dBV(0dBFS 0dB-SACD)
PHONES コネクター φ6.3mmステレオ・フォーン・ジャック
出力負荷インピーダンス 16Ω以上
最大出力 85mW+85mW @32Ω
DIGITAL OUT(同軸) コネクター RCAピン・ジャック
フォーマット IEC60958 ※PCMのみ有効
USB(デバイス) コネクター タイプB
フォーマット USB 2.0準拠 ハイ・スピード
付属品 USBケーブル

 

 

 

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post #13 of 15

Official member of this club now :)

 

Just in, delivery from China..

 

 

 

This is my 1st DAC/Amp. Wish I did this sooner!

Sound is like lifting a veil from your eyes. Clarity and great resolution of detail. Not sure what mW output is from amp section, but I actually prefer this alone vs. PA2V2 with IEMs

Next step is silver USB cable to feed it..

 

Very happy customer. Thanks Yao!  dt880smile.png

post #14 of 15

I just ordered the same DAC as loudspl, but it's the upgrade version with 24/192 usb chip CM6331A.  What's the deal with this DAC chip, the cs4398?  It seems like it's been around for like 7 years.. did cirrus logic go out of business or stop producing dacs?  why no update or newer dac chip from them?

I created a thread asking for opinions on dacs designed by Weiliang, who does this dac and a bunch of other designs, but no replies yet :(

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661304/weiliang-dacs-any-opinion

post #15 of 15
CL is def. not out of business, they are alive and well.....DACs are just not their primary source of revenue! wink.gif
http://investor.cirrus.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=759489


CS4398 is used in a few other equipment as well, including some Marantz equipment, such as this one:

http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=HiFiComponents&SubCatId=&ProductId=NA7004

I think this DAC is a great improvement for any system but this implementation could probably be better, given the low price.

I wonder why Kingwa has not used CL DACs in his lineup (Audio-gd)? Maybe it's just not a popular DAC?
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