Heir Audio Tzar 90 and Tzar 350 Universal In Ear Monitors - Page 37

The 3.A is a clear V shape (2cc) and the Tzar 90 is not.  The Tzar drivers are specifically for "MUSIC" use they are not originally hearing aid drivers converted to perform other tasks etc.

(IE the CI driver commonly found in behind the ear style hearing aids, is also comonly used in IEMs and CIEMs & in the 3.ai)

The Tzar drivers, one would not find in a hearing aid.

The end result is, from the foundation up, it is designed for the use of music reproduction and in the findings that I have found thus far, they are more "spot" on when it comes to performing in unison. (in other words, little to no channel imbalance issues right out of the box)

The SQ is differnt between the 3.Ai and the Tzar 90, as stated before the 3.Ai is a clear V shape response.

This is not to say V is bad, it is just a discription of the graph...   A lot of people find a V to be something they prefer...

Wizard

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Originally Posted by FullCircle 

Currently I have the only Tzar 90 in the world.... so BKK Kid is of little help.

 

 

That said, the Tzar 90 is a beuty.

 

No teeth jarring bass, very smooth no shocking highs that make you think....  "How did that happen..." 

 

Over all a very mellow clean response. My personal pair of Tzar 350 went to Japan for some "classified" activity. So I built myself a pair of Tzar 90s, and I must say I do like them... I like them a lot.

 

 

 

Wizard

This.....this makes me hope I spent my money well in the 350's, and don't find the mind-jarring detail too unappealing  Since I haven't really heard a truly analytical IEM (closest is the HF5 which was warm but oddly little bass, and headphones the K702 which was nice, but once again, no bass prescence), I'll be gambling on liking it for most of my music. Although the 90's do seem like the safer bet. And this is why I hate waiting for things, I second guess, then I second guess my second guesses, well I guess you get the idea.

Soren, if you end up being right in the 350's being too detailed for my everyday listening, I owe you a beer. Or a coffee. Maybe two 

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Originally Posted by mosshorn 

This.....this makes me hope I spent my money well in the 350's, and don't find the mind-jarring detail too unappealing  Since I haven't really heard a truly analytical IEM (closest is the HF5 which was warm but oddly little bass, and headphones the K702 which was nice, but once again, no bass prescence), I'll be gambling on liking it for most of my music. Although the 90's do seem like the safer bet. And this is why I hate waiting for things, I second guess, then I second guess my second guesses, well I guess you get the idea.

What? Too much detail? No such thing...

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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 

 

What? Too much detail? No such thing...

Well it might make my head explode, I've been listening to only KSC75's since a few weeks ago, and before that it was primarily SM3's. So yeah, it might not be "too much", but it might be enough to make my head spin 

I've given the Tzar a bit more ear time between finishing my review and loaning them out to half of Denmark and I start to agree with Librarian... they're not that bad with poor recordings, just a lot less forgiving than the 8.A King Of Smooth Details I'm used to. 

(Reading those two lines makes me want to change my nick from Sorensiim to Spoiled_Rotten.)

Last night I received Sorensiim's Tzar350 and 4.Ai on loan (have previously heard the 4.Ai at a meet and liked it) from Librarian. I also have a selection of cables including TWag V3 balanced and single ended, TWag V2 balanced and single ended, Toxic Cables Piccolino single ended and both Heir cables. I listened for 30 minutes with the TWag V2 balanced from my SR71-B last night and with the Piccolino straight from an iPhone5 this morning on the way to work and am now listening out of the Audioquest Dragonfly at work. I already like what I hear (I have been using Etymotic iems for over 10 years and really like the Etymotic sound and now have JH13 so those are my references) so much so that I will possibly be buying one myself. My main problem right now is fit, to me nothing other than the Etymotic style housing with deep insertion feels right as I have fairly big ear canal openings so all those iems that don't go deep dont feel as if they sit securely. I have tried all the included tips and the best result is the large blue ones. I don't have complys that will fit on the bigger tips of the Heirs. My feeling on the sound so far is exactly the same as what Librarian describes except that I have not had an ER4 on hand for several years so my current point of reference is the HF2 which is close to the ER4-P but not quit there. I'm looking forward to explore these further over the next week.

Wizard, please make these in a deep insertion form and they'll be ideal for me or in a custom fit version.

PS: I'm surprised at how good they actually sound straight out of the iPhone5, I did not expect that. Yes the volume has to be turned well up and the sound is not as good as with a good amp but it is still very good and enjoyable

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Originally Posted by nc8000 

Wizard, please make these in a deep insertion form and they'll be ideal for me or in a custom fit version.

 

x2

I gave them a short try visiting librarian Tuesday and even though I did not have major problems with the fit I had to press them into the ears once in a while. I have very small ear canals so I started using the smallest tips and I had to press them into my ear once in a while. Either they should be just a little bit longer or I could find another tip which extends them a little bit for better fit. Then they would be perfect for my ears. 

The sound was perfect in every way. I tried them with my iPhone 5 --> Meier Quickstep and even though it was a very short listen they played every kind of genre very very well. 

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Originally Posted by FullCircle 

The 3.A is a clear V shape (2cc) and the Tzar 90 is not.  The Tzar drivers are specifically for "MUSIC" use they are not originally hearing aid drivers converted to perform other tasks etc.

 

(IE the CI driver commonly found in behind the ear style hearing aids, is also comonly used in IEMs and CIEMs & in the 3.ai)

 

The Tzar drivers, one would not find in a hearing aid.

 

The end result is, from the foundation up, it is designed for the use of music reproduction and in the findings that I have found thus far, they are more "spot" on when it comes to performing in unison. (in other words, little to no channel imbalance issues right out of the box)

 

The SQ is differnt between the 3.Ai and the Tzar 90, as stated before the 3.Ai is a clear V shape response.

 

This is not to say V is bad, it is just a discription of the graph...   A lot of people find a V to be something they prefer...

 

 

Wizard

Since you're the only one who's heard the Tzar 90 yet, could you describe how they sound compared to the 4.Ai, please?

Tough call when one starts to talk about the differences between the Tzar 90, Tzar 350 and 4.Ai

The 350, is much like the older Itallian sports cars. Under the right conditions, pure bliss....  Outside of those conditions....  not so much

the 4.Ai is not as finicky and has a more useable impedance limitation, over the Tzar 90.   I have not used my 4.Ai in a while but if I had to guess, I would say the highs on the 4.Ai are touch brighter.

As I have said before the Tzar 90 is a mellow lovalble product.

Wizard

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Originally Posted by FullCircle 

Tough call when one starts to talk about the differences between the Tzar 90, Tzar 350 and 4.Ai

 

The 350, is much like the older Itallian sports cars. Under the right conditions, pure bliss....  Outside of those conditions....  not so much

 

the 4.Ai is not as finicky and has a more useable impedance limitation, over the Tzar 90.   I have not used my 4.Ai in a while but if I had to guess, I would say the highs on the 4.Ai are touch brighter.

 

As I have said before the Tzar 90 is a mellow lovalble product.

 

Wizard

Well, I'm starting to become very interested in the Tzar 90, as I mostly use my IEMs with portable amps. From your memory, can you say something more about the how mids and bass compare between the 4.Ai and Tzar 90, please?

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Originally Posted by putente 

 

 

Since you're the only one who's heard the Tzar 90 yet, could you describe how they sound compared to the 4.Ai, please?

  I have been spending some time with the 4.Ai v/s the Tzar 90.   The 4.ai has a certain effect on me....  The 4.Ai (4.A) is to me, like drinking a cool glass of Evian....   it just goes down soooo naturally.  I know that sounds wierd, but that is the "First" impression I got of the 4.A when I first built it, and it has always been my thought when I listen to them....

they just come across sooo matural like

The Tzar 90, I think I can detect more of a sensation of being a touch more warmer, but by all means not muddy at all. The higs of both products are not shrilly and are not fatigueing. They are also not full of siblants either.

If I had to pick one....  I could toss a coin and be happy with either result.

(but I also carry the Rendition 1 around, so I'm not worried about impedance)

Wizard