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post #511 of 1003
12/2/12 at 12:20pm
I get to play with them from Wednesday :-)
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post #512 of 1003
12/2/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by rasmushorn View Post

I am happy these are universal IEM's which probably means that some time soon a lot of them will be up for sale from people who think they do not have enough bass or sounds boring directly from an iPhone. They certainly sound like they are created just for my taste. 

 

    The Tzar 350 would be a poor match to run directly with an I-phone do to the nominal impedance of 350 ohms.  The Tzar 90 would be a better match up, it sounds fantastic as well, more forgiving than the Tzar 350 and a touch more mellow response as well.

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post #513 of 1003
12/2/12 at 12:40pm
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    The Tzar 350 would be a poor match to run directly with an I-phone do to the nominal impedance of 350 ohms.  The Tzar 90 would be a better match up, it sounds fantastic as well, more forgiving than the Tzar 350 and a touch more mellow response as well.

 

IDK, I can drive the EtyKids pretty well with my iPod :p  They have a rated nominal impedance of 300 ohms (get up to 89 dB maxed though :p). They do sound better with an amp regardless (they actually get darker in nature)*.

 

*Etymotic recommends against using any sort of amp with the EtyKids as it will allow the EtyKids to go above the rated 90 dB SPL and can then damage hearing :p


Edited by tinyman392 - 12/2/12 at 12:42pm
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post #514 of 1003
12/2/12 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by librarian View Post

In short:

 

I'm very impressed with the Tzar350.

 

What the ER4S does good, the Tzar350 does equally good.

What makes the ER4S special to me is it's accurate sound reproduction with a great sense of air and space between instruments. I've never heard anything that could match the ER4S in this area, but I think the Tzar350 does. Furthermore I think the Tzar has more sparkling highs, that reminds me of beyerdynamic T70, which I love.

 

And in the areas where ER4S falls short, the Tzar350 still shines.

And this would primarily be bass. While ER4S has a good amount of bass for some types of music, I still think it's a bit lacking from time to time. The Tzar350 has more bass. But it is very accurate and never seems to interfere with the mids. It delivers very punchy and super detailed bass response. Something else to enjoy!

 

Well this was short, but feel free to ask, then I'll try to answer. I think the Tzar350 is crazy good, and I know I'm gonna have one. BUT I will still keep my ER4S. At least for a while untill "new toy syndrome" has gone away. ER4S has survived a lot of new inventions, and I will need more time to be shure. I really LOVE my ER4S, and they are not easy to let go off...

 

(I listened to the Tzar350 with Colorfly C4 and Isabellina HPA LFP-V Edition)


That sounds good! I hope to enjoy my ER4S which is on its way. Thanks!

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post #515 of 1003
12/2/12 at 3:37pm
Librarian thanks for the impressions. I have a lot of questions.

Is the 350 harder to drive than the ER4S? How do their volumes compare from the same source?

Does the 350 offer comparable isolation?

Are there any audible dips on the 350 when a/b'ing with the ER4S?

That's all I can think of for now. Thanks in advance for any info you could share.
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post #516 of 1003
12/2/12 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by nc8000 View Post

I get to play with them from Wednesday :-)

Can you please also compare Tzar 350 against what you could remember ER4S as it best since no one has ever did what you did to their ER4.

 

Many thanks

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post #517 of 1003
12/2/12 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by librarian View Post

In short:

 

I'm very impressed with the Tzar350.

 

What the ER4S does good, the Tzar350 does equally good.

What makes the ER4S special to me is it's accurate sound reproduction with a great sense of air and space between instruments. I've never heard anything that could match the ER4S in this area, but I think the Tzar350 does. Furthermore I think the Tzar has more sparkling highs, that reminds me of beyerdynamic T70, which I love.

 

And in the areas where ER4S falls short, the Tzar350 still shines.

And this would primarily be bass. While ER4S has a good amount of bass for some types of music, I still think it's a bit lacking from time to time. The Tzar350 has more bass. But it is very accurate and never seems to interfere with the mids. It delivers very punchy and super detailed bass response. Something else to enjoy!

 

Well this was short, but feel free to ask, then I'll try to answer. I think the Tzar350 is crazy good, and I know I'm gonna have one. BUT I will still keep my ER4S. At least for a while untill "new toy syndrome" has gone away. ER4S has survived a lot of new inventions, and I will need more time to be shure. I really LOVE my ER4S, and they are not easy to let go off...

 

(I listened to the Tzar350 with Colorfly C4 and Isabellina HPA LFP-V Edition)

That was a great insight. It seems like this is as good as ER4S and on few occasion better than ER4. 

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post #518 of 1003
12/3/12 at 1:09am
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Librarian thanks for the impressions. I have a lot of questions.
Is the 350 harder to drive than the ER4S? How do their volumes compare from the same source?
Does the 350 offer comparable isolation?
Are there any audible dips on the 350 when a/b'ing with the ER4S?
That's all I can think of for now. Thanks in advance for any info you could share.

The Tzar is not harder to drive than ER4S, actually more the other way around. ER4S needs more juice...but they are comparable.

 

Isolation seems to be pretty good on the Tzar as well.

 

The Tzar350 does not fall short compared to the ER4S in any area. It is simply technical superior. ER4S still has a unique tone, and I wonder if I'm gonna miss it further down the road... That would be my only concern, and a-b- testing can't clear that out - only time...

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post #519 of 1003
12/3/12 at 6:24am

Tzar 350 sounds like the type of sound signature I enjoy. 

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post #520 of 1003
12/3/12 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by librarian View Post

The Tzar is not harder to drive than ER4S, actually more the other way around. ER4S needs more juice...but they are comparable.

 

Isolation seems to be pretty good on the Tzar as well.

 

The Tzar350 does not fall short compared to the ER4S in any area. It is simply technical superior. ER4S still has a unique tone, and I wonder if I'm gonna miss it further down the road... That would be my only concern, and a-b- testing can't clear that out - only time...

 

Thanks for your answers. 

 

That's surprising about the 350's efficiency. It seems more ohms doesn't always mean an inefficient iem. 

 

It will be interesting to see what time does to your opinion. 

 

One last question: How is the fit with the 350? Does it require a deep fit similar to the ER4S? Does the signature change much with insertion depth? 

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post #521 of 1003
12/3/12 at 8:15pm
Fit is different. I'd prefer deep insertion like er4. I use triflange tips with tzar to get a deeper fit. A good fit means everything. I can't get a good fit without deep insertion, so I can't tell the difference in sound according to insertion dept.

Did I forget to mention, that in general the tzar is a tiny bit less bright, than er4?
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post #522 of 1003
12/3/12 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

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Originally Posted by librarian View Post

The Tzar is not harder to drive than ER4S, actually more the other way around. ER4S needs more juice...but they are comparable.

 

Isolation seems to be pretty good on the Tzar as well.

 

The Tzar350 does not fall short compared to the ER4S in any area. It is simply technical superior. ER4S still has a unique tone, and I wonder if I'm gonna miss it further down the road... That would be my only concern, and a-b- testing can't clear that out - only time...

 

Thanks for your answers. 

 

That's surprising about the 350's efficiency. It seems more ohms doesn't always mean an inefficient iem. 

 

It will be interesting to see what time does to your opinion. 

 

One last question: How is the fit with the 350? Does it require a deep fit similar to the ER4S? Does the signature change much with insertion depth? 


Really deep insertion like ER4 is not possible due to the physical design og the Tzar. Ohms are one part of the equation, the other part is driver sensetivity and it apears that the Tzar is more sensetive than the ER4
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post #523 of 1003
12/3/12 at 9:55pm
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Really deep insertion like ER4 is not possible due to the physical design og the Tzar. Ohms are one part of the equation, the other part is driver sensetivity and it apears that the Tzar is more sensetive than the ER4

2nd EDIT: Sensitivity plays a much greater role in volume output than impedance. IEM's can vary as much as 10 dB/mV in sensitivity. 10 more decibels translates to 10x more power output; while going from 350 ohms to 100 ohms results to only approximately 3.5x more power output, as dictated by Ohm's Law. Impedance isn't synonymous with resistance, but I suspect they mathematically work the same. So, yea, the Tzar 350 should definitely be more sensitive.


Edited by tigon_ridge - 12/4/12 at 4:43pm
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post #524 of 1003
12/5/12 at 3:15pm
Hey everyone! I created an account after lurking the last week working my way thru your awesomely educated opinions, and this is where I have landed. I want IEM's mostly for listening with my iPhone but also with vinyl at home. I am extremely torn as to what would be better for my needs, the Tzar 90 or either the 3.ai or 4.ai. I do love me some bass via hip hop and post-dub steppish sounds (OutKast, Mount Kimbie, etc) but also less bass heavy stuff like Yo La Tengo, Mogwai, Sufjan Stevens, etc. I think the more neutral 4.ai sounds appealing for me but i don't want to be missing any bass. The 350 sounds too brutal for most of my files (mostly VOs and some 320s). I want these headphones for everyday multi situational use. Would the Tzar 90s be in between the 3.ai and 4.ai in overall awesomeness? I think I want the Tzar 90 but I haven't gotten to hear any impressions. frown.gif

Also, I don't really want to need an amp to use the headphones. I want maximum portability.
Edited by bkelleher - 12/5/12 at 3:20pm
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post #525 of 1003
12/5/12 at 3:26pm

You can rule out the 350, as you don't want an amp and desire maximum portability

 

Now you have a choice of 3

 

4.Ai

3.Ai

Tzar 90

 

Top bass response 3.Ai

 

which is the best overall between the 4.Ai and the Tzar 90 it is a toss up (at least for me)

 

 

Wizard

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