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post #241 of 1008
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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post

Etys don't have the 3.7kHz dip that is present in the 4.ai. That may be responsible for what you perceive to be missing.

 

Even further, Etys increase this region by 10-12 dB (@2.7 kHz) or a 8-9 dB in the 3.7 kHz range :p 


Edited by tinyman392 - 11/16/12 at 6:08pm
post #242 of 1008
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

Even further, Etys increase this region by 10-12 dB (@2.7 kHz) or a 8-9 dB in the 3.7 kHz range :p 


I guess that why I thought something was "missing". But as I have said before, that's what I am used to, whether it's "accurate" or not.

post #243 of 1008
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I guess that why I thought something was "missing". But as I have said before, that's what I am used to, whether it's "accurate" or not.

 

Etymotic adds it in because your ear naturally has a resonance at that frequency (your ear produces it's own spike in that range).  However, the IEM itself bypasses this physically due to it's deep insertion (most IEMs actually bypass this).  Since the sound produced won't ever hit the point where your ear would naturally resonate, it doesn't resonate.  Therefore, a spike is required to match this.  This, of course is according to Etymotic Research :p  If I'm not mistaken, Phonak has had the same findings (and have used this large spike with their 1xx series IEMs with grey filters). 

 

Then again, there are others who find that a dip sounds more natural than the spike. 

post #244 of 1008
i was actually thinking about the 3ai but some reviews had the highs as a bit sibilant
so if tzar 90 could combine the highs of the 4ai with bass quantity of the 3ai, ill be happy
post #245 of 1008
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i was actually thinking about the 3ai but some reviews had the highs as a bit sibilant
so if tzar 90 could combine the highs of the 4ai with bass quantity of the 3ai, ill be happy

 

I actually didn't find them too sibilant.  Actually the other way around, I didn't find them sibilant at all.  The only problem I had was with the lower highs not having enough presence...  Excerpt from my review:

 

Quote: Review (External Link)
...They are never sibilant, or harsh, in any way either; like the bass, very well controlled...  ...The lower highs, however, are more recessed and lack some presence.

Edited by tinyman392 - 11/16/12 at 7:20pm
post #246 of 1008
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

I actually didn't find them too sibilant.  Actually the other way around, I didn't find them sibilant at all.  The only problem I had was with the lower highs not having enough presence...  Excerpt from my review:

from the heir world tour
tomscy: Vocals are warmer than the 4.Ai, but sibilance detection seems a little more prominent. It is here that the 3.Ai surprised me; I had expected the 3.Ai to be smoother in the highs, but instead it seemed peakier; for that reason, sibilance stood out more.

sinocelt: Finally, the 3.Ai's sibilance is at least equal to the 4.Ai’s, and I often find its highs too piercing to my taste (but I am very sensitive to highs: I don’t even like the HD800

maybe sibilance may not be the right word, but having owned a gr07, i didnt like the treble spikes from time to time, which appeared even after using them for a couple hundred hours
post #247 of 1008
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Originally Posted by fuzzyash View Post

 tzar 90 could combine the highs of the 4ai with bass quantity of the 3ai, ill be happy

 

 

      

700

 

Tzar 350 v/s 3.Ai

 

 

The Tzar 350 wears a tuxido it is highly refined, reference level product, if a butterfly "thinks it" the Tzar will detect it and transduce it. It is not to be used with "Dub Step" etc.  While it does go low, it is not a 3.Ai.   The 3.Ai wears "Coveralls" it is a jack of all trades, while not superb in all genres, it does essentially play all genres at fairly well levels.

 

The 3.Ai and the Tzar 90 would probably be a better match up. But ultimatley they do not really compete directly as the impedance levels prevent this.

post #248 of 1008
I feel like the 4ai and tsar 350 have been talked about a bunch, I'm wondering what the similarities and differences in sound signiture the 3ai's vs the tzar 90's will have. Will the 90s be slightly flatter with a bass boost?
post #249 of 1008
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Originally Posted by FullCircle View Post


      


Tzar 350 v/s 3.Ai


The Tzar 350 wears a tuxido it is highly refined, reference level product, if a butterfly "thinks it" the Tzar will detect it and transduce it. It is not to be used with "Dub Step" etc.  While it does go low, it is not a 3.Ai.   The 3.Ai wears "Coveralls" it is a jack of all trades, while not superb in all genres, it does essentially play all genres at fairly well levels.

The 3.Ai and the Tzar 90 would probably be a better match up. But ultimatley they do not really compete directly as the impedance levels prevent this.

This is totally brilliant. However much product you are selling, it's not enough, Heir should be marketed and known to the same people who buy Westone and UE products without having to stumble upon this forum.
post #250 of 1008

Baby steps my friend, as we are still very young.

post #251 of 1008

How modest is the high frequency boost on the 350? And where does it fall in the range? 

post #252 of 1008

Wizard, when will there be more information about the amp?

post #253 of 1008

I thought I was done with universals but having heard the Tzar 350 I might need to reconsider.. ksc75smile.gif

post #254 of 1008
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

Also wizard has said to me the 350 will be dead flat, not percieved flat or nearly flat but FLAT.
Also I think their will be one more Heir product to be onnounced.
Wizard also mentioned he thinks they will go well with high impedance daps, he is talking about the liked of DX1000 and AK100.

 

Not sure where you got your misinformation (that is if you are referring to the DX100) but the DX100 does not have high output impedance. It is ruler flat. Probably one of the lowest impedance' of any DAP out there.

post #255 of 1008
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

Not sure where you got your misinformation (that is if you are referring to the DX100) but the DX100 does not have high output impedance. It is ruler flat. Probably one of the lowest impedance' of any DAP out there.

I meant dx100. I meant DAPs that can be used with headphones of high impedance, in opposed to those that have a high output impedance.

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