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Compare ipod nano 7 with ipod touch 4/5,please? (sorry for my bad english:( ). Thank you

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Compare ipod nano 7 with ipod touch 4/5,please? (sorry for my bad english:( ). Thank you

 

Sorry, doesn't own any other iDevices and no plan on buying any of them either.

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I have a clip+, soundstage is narrow (imo). Do you think ipod nano 7's sounstage wider? Thank you
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I have a clip+, soundstage is narrow (imo). Do you think ipod nano 7's sounstage wider? Thank you

 

Yes, Nano 7G has a wider soundstage.

post #65 of 108
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On the EU version there is a dedicated button in settings allowing you to enable/disable the EU Volume Limit - first time I've seen that... I left mine alone.

The 7G is a good device, better than the 6G in terms of buttons, battery life and bluetooth 4, plus it's half the size of a Clip Zip.


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Can someone confirm that when disabled its just as loud as a non-eu ipod?

In the past Ive had to import ipods to the UK at great expense, I didnt realise the 7 gave you a CHOICE. How nice of Apple to fall in line with other manufacturers and let me decide if I want to damage my hearing.

Im thinking of retiring my Sansa Clip+ for a 7G as I like the smart playlist function on ipods plus the general interface, iTunes excluded of course.
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Can someone confirm that when disabled its just as loud as a non-eu ipod?

In the past Ive had to import ipods to the UK at great expense, I didnt realise the 7 gave you a CHOICE. How nice of Apple to fall in line with other manufacturers and let me decide if I want to damage my hearing.

Im thinking of retiring my Sansa Clip+ for a 7G as I like the smart playlist function on ipods plus the general interface, iTunes excluded of course.

 

If you have an AC volt meter, you can play a 1kHz test tone (generated from audacity) at max volume, it should be just a little over 1.9Vrms.

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Compare ipod nano 7 with ipod touch 4/5,please? (sorry for my bad english:( ). Thank you

 

haihamcool, I don't personally own an Nano 7th gen, I do own an iTouch 4th Gen (2011). I got a chance to play around with a friend's 7th gen Nano, comparing it to my iTouch and another friend's 2nd Gen Nano. I'm not exactly the best person to ask for audio quality. However, the one thing I did pull out of playing with the Nano 7th gen is that it feels small and flimsy. Knowing that it is made out of aluminum is quite reassuring, but it just never really left my mind. 

 

If it was up to me, and at such prices, I would personally buy an iTouch 4th gen, they are much cheaper, and the app store does supply a FLAC decoder. Depending on what size you get (I have the 8GB) and knowing you have more freedom of choice, you can play around and balance your lossless music and lossy or whatever else you want to play. 

 

Sorry that I can't tell you about audio quality, it's not my area of expertise, I just enjoy good audio.

post #68 of 108
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Not sure those of you who own a Nano 7G will be happy to hear this: I recently update my Nano 7G from the original firmware (v1.0.1) to the latest v1.0.2, and find out the maximum volume output has been lower from the original 1.9Vrms to 0.96Vrms - which is about the same level as Nano 4G's line-out and the line-out from Lightning-to-30pins connector. Consequentially, the original recommendation of lowering the headphone-out three steps down for double amping has become invalid. Instead, you should go with a full volume for double amping.

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Not sure those of you who own a Nano 7G will be happy to hear this: I recently update my Nano 7G from the original firmware (v1.0.1) to the latest v1.0.2, and find out the maximum volume output has been lower from the original 1.9Vrms to 0.96Vrms - which is about the same level as Nano 4G's line-out and the line-out from Lightning-to-30pins connector. Consequentially, the original recommendation of lowering the headphone-out three steps down for double amping has become invalid. Instead, you should go with a full volume for double amping.

That is indeed too bad...I was ready to get one based on the measurements you provided - thank you btw.
Out of curiosity, are most iDevices around 1Vrms output? Is there a lot of variation between devices & generations? I wish I could have a snapshot view of all iDevices made to date with these measurements and which DAC chipset is used.
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Not sure those of you who own a Nano 7G will be happy to hear this: I recently update my Nano 7G from the original firmware (v1.0.1) to the latest v1.0.2, and find out the maximum volume output has been lower from the original 1.9Vrms to 0.96Vrms - which is about the same level as Nano 4G's line-out and the line-out from Lightning-to-30pins connector. Consequentially, the original recommendation of lowering the headphone-out three steps down for double amping has become invalid. Instead, you should go with a full volume for double amping.


That it's pretty sad and puzzling. Thanks for sharing.

Lost confidence in post Jobs Apple thus i did not upgrade to iOS 7 any idevice. Your finding reassures me in that stance.


Optimism is the depth of technical ignorance
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That is indeed too bad...I was ready to get one based on the measurements you provided - thank you btw.
Out of curiosity, are most iDevices around 1Vrms output? Is there a lot of variation between devices & generations? I wish I could have a snapshot view of all iDevices made to date with these measurements and which DAC chipset is used.

 

On older iDevices, especially the iPod, line-out is usually around 0.55Vrms. It seems in the recent 2~3 generations of iPhone, they are rising the line-out to about 0.95Vrms or so. However, I don't think there is a standard even among iDevices.

 

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That it's pretty sad and puzzling. Thanks for sharing.

Lost confidence in post Jobs Apple thus i did not upgrade to iOS 7 any idevice. Your finding reassures me in that stance.


Optimism is the depth of technical ignorance

 

It does really hurt me much as I already using the 0.96Vrms for double amping. So basically Apple save me the trouble of lowering three steps down in volume. Still, it is strange.

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On older iDevices, especially the iPod, line-out is usually around 0.55Vrms. It seems in the recent 2~3 generations of iPhone, they are rising the line-out to about 0.95Vrms or so. However, I don't think there is a standard even among iDevices.

 

 

It does really hurt me much as I already using the 0.96Vrms for double amping. So basically Apple save me the trouble of lowering three steps down in volume. Still, it is strange.

Appreciate the update on the volume decrease ClieOS, I won't be changing out my original Nano 7th gen to the new firmware as I like the volume on the headphone out, it works great especially for IEM's and I have noticed when you amp the 7th gen off the lightning dock it sucks the juice out of the thing 3 times faster than if it were just driving medium efficiency phones:( As I believe I stated some time back in this thread the 7th gen Nano has one of the best headphone outs of any of the iDevices I've ever owned. I'm also keeping all my iDevices away from iOS7 because I've heard nothing but this sucks and that sucks ever since my wife accidently loaded it up on her iPhone (she said it wreaks havoc on your cloud)!! 

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@ClieOS, Thank you again for such a detailed and informative review.

 

I'm considering this DAP for use with my Westone 4Rs for "on the go" use.  I've always been happy with the Sansa devices I've purchased so when you compare the sound quality to that of the Clip/Fuze those are powerful words.

 

I like the fact that at 0.96Vrms I can set the HP-out to full volume when double-amping.  It sounds like the SQ from the HP-out tests very well, so I see no need for a Franken-LOD.

 

I do have two questions for you:

  • Do you think there is a big benefit to double-amping this device when being used with BA IEMs?  I'm considering either the RSA Shadow or Pico Slim for this use.
  • I understand that to fully embrace iTunes you have to adopt the "walled garden" philosophy that Apple promotes.  I can understand the argument that it limits options, but why specifically the hatred for iTunes?  I've purchased/downloaded EVERY media storage program/application that exists.  I found J River Media Center and Media Monkey to be close competitors but neither was more stable or offered so many additional features that I felt the need to switch from iTunes.  I'm just curious.

 

As always, I appreciate your input.

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Originally Posted by SoulSyde View Post
 

I do have two questions for you:

  • Do you think there is a big benefit to double-amping this device when being used with BA IEMs?  I'm considering either the RSA Shadow or Pico Slim for this use.
  • I understand that to fully embrace iTunes you have to adopt the "walled garden" philosophy that Apple promotes.  I can understand the argument that it limits options, but why specifically the hatred for iTunes?  I've purchased/downloaded EVERY media storage program/application that exists.  I found J River Media Center and Media Monkey to be close competitors but neither was more stable or offered so many additional features that I felt the need to switch from iTunes.  I'm just curious.

 

1) Depends on what IEM we are talking here. For most easy-to-drive IEM, the benefit should be relatively small. But for harder-to-drive IEM, such as low impedance multi-driver IEM, double amping will result in tighter performance since Nano 7G isn't doing particularly well with these type of IEM.

 

2) First reason is simple: I am a long time Windows user and therefore my music collection are built to operate best in WMP / Media Monkey over the years. Secondly, many of the music I listen to are not listed on iTune in this part of the world, plus I still like buying CD. So there is no incentive to use iTune. Lastly, I use other non-Apple DAP as much as I use Nano 7G (and Nano 4G before that), so using iTune is not a first choice for managing music over different DAP. But I can manage music on WMP (older version with additional plug-in) or MediaMonkey and have no problem syncing them with both iPod and other DAP. iTune might be easier on the eye, but compatibility is my first priority.

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I had suspected that double-amping would be beneficial.  I've found with every other DAP I've owned that BAs perform better when separately amped, but I have not had any experience with the latest Nano incarnation.

 

Regarding iTunes, I get where you're coming from.  When I switched to Mac for my PC and the whole family went to iPhones and iPads I dropped Media Monkey and went solely to iTunes.  If I still had my Cowon J3 and used my Sansas as much as I used to maybe things would be different.

 

Thanks as usual!  You're an asset to Head-Fi.

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