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post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by raytraceme View Post

I still don't know why you like to support apple so much but for someone on head-fi who probably thinks beats are overpriced, you like to support them a lot.
All i'm trying to say is that apple is loosing their status as being innovative and is using monopolistic ways to kill competitors.
My other issue with apple is that they are lagging behind on software, making way too much profit, hoarding over $130 billion in the bank, and not putting more $ in r&d.
I'm sure 99.9% of people if given that position on the spot will become worse than Apple, and would just sack the money rather than put more money in R&D, or would fail using the money they would have. Don't be accusing him of supporting Apple, because he isn't. Maybe you are just accusing people who disagree with your "opinion" a sheep or another. We all believe Beats is overpriced, same with Macs, but you are antagonizing a company without looking at both sides, as well as being offensive about this.
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Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post

My opinion.
Or perhaps the majority of the Internet and that you decided that it'd be fun to join the bandwagon. It's good that you posted some links on the subject, because it proves that the news only covers Apple and things people want to hear about, and that people are blinded from other things we could be concerned about... or maybe you are just reading off of Reddit.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sycho View Post


I'm sure 99.9% of people if given that position on the spot will become worse than Apple, and would just sack the money rather than put more money in R&D, or would fail using the money they would have. Don't be accusing him of supporting Apple, because he isn't. Maybe you are just accusing people who disagree with your "opinion" a sheep or another. We all believe Beats is overpriced, same with Macs, but you are antagonizing a company without looking at both sides, as well as being offensive about this.
Or perhaps the majority of the Internet and that you decided that it'd be fun to join the bandwagon. It's good that you posted some links on the subject, because it proves that the news only covers Apple and things people want to hear about, and that people are blinded from other things we could be concerned about... or maybe you are just reading off of Reddit.


I don't like Apple for my own reasons. I have owned several Apple products, including a Macbook that I shared with my girlfriend when we lived together. Her $1000 laptop was not quite $1000 worth if you know what I mean. Apple products are generally of good quality, but not such a high quality their products are worth the high premium they charge (to me).


I'm fairly tech savvy. I enjoy freedom of choice. Apple does not give users much in the way of choice. Apple wants to control everything their users do, and wants to lock them into their ecosystem. They charge much higher prices for goods which arguably aren't even of better quality than many competitors. Apple is not the only one who tries to lock users in, but if I have a choice to choose then I'd usually prefer it. Microsoft has been doing the same thing recently, and I dislike Microsoft for this too. I don't have brand loyalty. I like whatever product is the best for me. I don't like Microsoft but I have bought several Zune products because they were super cheap compared to the competition, and the hardware is still pretty good. Not a fan of the Zune software, but hey, saved $100. Worth it.

 

I play video games sometimes. Apple products are not built with gaming in mind, and if one of their products can play games well, that product costs significantly more than another system that would do the job just the same.

 

We're in 2012. The Iphone still does not have a user replaceable battery. It still does not have a microSD expansion. It doesn't have NFC (which tbh I don't care about). If my battery on my Galaxy S3 goes bad, I can spend $5-10 and get a replacement. How much do you think our good friends at Apple will charge me for the exact same battery? One that isn't easily replaceable without their help?

 

Apple products are good for some people. I am not their intended audience.

 

So, there's some insight into why I don't particularly like Apple as a company. There are other reasons, but I think you get the picture.

 

Also, thanks for the patronizing comment about me getting my stuff of Reddit, like I can't think for myself.


Edited by Zalithian - 11/11/12 at 5:45am
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post


I don't like Apple for my own reasons. I have owned several Apple products, including a Macbook that I shared with my girlfriend when we lived together. Her $1000 laptop was not quite $1000 worth if you know what I mean. Apple products are generally of good quality, but not such a high quality their products are worth the high premium they charge (to me).


I'm fairly tech savvy. I enjoy freedom of choice. Apple does not give users much in the way of choice. Apple wants to control everything their users do, and wants to lock them into their ecosystem. They charge much higher prices for goods which arguably aren't even of better quality than many competitors. Apple is not the only one who tries to lock users in, but if I have a choice to choose then I'd usually prefer it. Microsoft has been doing the same thing recently, and I dislike Microsoft for this too. I don't have brand loyalty. I like whatever product is the best for me. I don't like Microsoft but I have bought several Zune products because they were super cheap compared to the competition, and the hardware is still pretty good. Not a fan of the Zune software, but hey, saved $100. Worth it.

 

I play video games sometimes. Apple products are not built with gaming in mind, and if one of their products can play games well, that product costs significantly more than another system that would do the job just the same.

 

We're in 2012. The Iphone still does not have a user replaceable battery. It still does not have a microSD expansion. It doesn't have NFC (which tbh I don't care about). If my battery on my Galaxy S3 goes bad, I can spend $5-10 and get a replacement. How much do you think our good friends at Apple will charge me for the exact same battery? One that isn't easily replaceable without their help?

 

Apple products are good for some people. I am not their intended audience.

 

So, there's some insight into why I don't particularly like Apple as a company. There are other reasons, but I think you get the picture.

 

Also, thanks for the patronizing comment about me getting my stuff of Reddit, like I can't think for myself.

Is that wrong? I am tech savvy too. I would not buy most of their products as it is not for me. However guess what. PC Enthusiasts make up 2.7-2.3% of the entire internet usership and half of those wouldn't buy an Apple product anyway thereby reducing not only their 2.3-2.7% market grab in Apple's eyes to an ant at 1%. Their products are fit for consumers. It doesn't matter if you don't like them or they can't game. The majority of computer users will love them as they have the industries highest mass produced failure rate, quality control and what not as rated by Consumer Reports. They do things efficently and their new app store on Mac is getting more and more light games that most users prefer to play on a computer. If people like to game real games, they wouldn't own a Mac as a gaming computer plain and simple and thus most users just play light games like farmville. 

 

User replaceable battery and all those others do indeed show your lack of thoughts on innovation. Why built in battery? Space, energy, efficency, company. They can maximize battery size and heat disapation with an internal battery. No need for a milimeter thick shell and other casings and bottom connectors. They can maximize battery capacity by as much as 10-20% this way and have same heat disapation capabilities if not better as it spreads more. More space to work with and they get more efficency by using rectangular tubes instead of round ones. And lastly it also ENFORCES their company polciy to consumers that this is Apples and it needs to be user replaced. What does this do? It helps the market. Money into Apple helps put money into the U.S economy as they push more products out(not a lot though), it also gives the user prestige. Instead of some 3rd party battery that may break in a week from a shady store or ebay. Getting a full personalized and "professionaly" installed battery leaves the user feeling that it was handled well, done well and leaves them with a better overall feel for the company as they got a working product back. 

 

Micro SD? I'm not sure if you heard but even Google's (who just aquired Motorolla's entire mobile deparement) new phone won't have SD as it will confuse the majority of their users. As to where should they instal their pictures? What if they lose it because they are stupid and save it to the SD and then throw it away? As an audiophile, I would love to have one, but we only represent less than 1% of what they even look at.

 

And lastly money in our hands. Look at the IT sector right now, its booming. I can easly fix  a virus off someon's computer and ear $50-$70 using free tools and just time. If consumers got smarter and knew how to fix their phone's and replace their batterys(extremely easy) then the IT sector wouldn't be as such. I can more or less replace and fix entire iOS devices. Batteries are the easiest but you need to be careful about digitizer and LCD.

 

IF you do use Reddit technology then you are already subject to their views. IT doesn't matter if you do or don't think for yourself. Reading their opinions puts those ideas into you.

 

How does that play into this thread? Because two or threee of you guys (I don't remember names) came and outright started calling out Apple when I was mainly focusing on Apple themselves making a headphone. 

post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post


I don't like Apple for my own reasons. I have owned several Apple products, including a Macbook that I shared with my girlfriend when we lived together. Her $1000 laptop was not quite $1000 worth if you know what I mean. Apple products are generally of good quality, but not such a high quality their products are worth the high premium they charge (to me).


I'm fairly tech savvy. I enjoy freedom of choice. Apple does not give users much in the way of choice. Apple wants to control everything their users do, and wants to lock them into their ecosystem. They charge much higher prices for goods which arguably aren't even of better quality than many competitors. Apple is not the only one who tries to lock users in, but if I have a choice to choose then I'd usually prefer it. Microsoft has been doing the same thing recently, and I dislike Microsoft for this too. I don't have brand loyalty. I like whatever product is the best for me. I don't like Microsoft but I have bought several Zune products because they were super cheap compared to the competition, and the hardware is still pretty good. Not a fan of the Zune software, but hey, saved $100. Worth it.

 

I play video games sometimes. Apple products are not built with gaming in mind, and if one of their products can play games well, that product costs significantly more than another system that would do the job just the same.

 

We're in 2012. The Iphone still does not have a user replaceable battery. It still does not have a microSD expansion. It doesn't have NFC (which tbh I don't care about). If my battery on my Galaxy S3 goes bad, I can spend $5-10 and get a replacement. How much do you think our good friends at Apple will charge me for the exact same battery? One that isn't easily replaceable without their help?

 

Apple products are good for some people. I am not their intended audience.

 

So, there's some insight into why I don't particularly like Apple as a company. There are other reasons, but I think you get the picture.

 

Also, thanks for the patronizing comment about me getting my stuff of Reddit, like I can't think for myself.

 

I agree with you to an extent.  You have to remember that for every action taken by a company, it's not without reason.  So let's get down to it. 

 

First, the 1000 dollar laptop.  I'm going to fully agree, for the hardware you're getting, the 1000 dollars just doesn't seem worth it.  The software bundled adds to this value.  Apple's software is very strong and can run on older hardware just fine without becoming too sluggish (then again, so can Linux).  With that said, you pay to be able to use the Apple software.  The alternative to do this would be to Hackintosh.  This is hard to do since you have to meet specific hardware criteria to have this work properly.  This essentially becomes a battle of hardware vs software here.  Some will go with hardware, others will go with software.  Studying software engineering (computational) myself, I am a software person, but do agree that for the price, the hardware alone isn't worth the price Apple asks for.

 

You pay for the software, but also the build quality.  Apple doesn't use cheap plastics on their laptops...  I take that back, the keys I'm typing on are plastic as is the Apple logo, but that's it.  Everything else is aluminum or glass.  The aluminum, if I'm not mistaken has been anodized as well which creates aluminum oxide...  One of the hardest substances known to man based on the Mah's Scale of Hardness; it ranks about a 9 when a diamond is the highest at 10 (glass ranks around 6).

 

Freedom is another thing that is debated about.  Yes, open software is something I do agree with, it customizable, it allows you to work as you want it to work, not how some company wants it to work.  It makes the computer yours.  The problem is that as software becomes more open, it creates more security holes in the software.  This is the reason why Apple closes down their system.  It closes holes, it creates a more secure system in general.  No, it does not create a 100% secure system, but takes a lot of the hassle out of it.  This is also the reason why Microsoft has switched its ideology as well regarding openness. 

 

I'm not sure I agree with the gaming statement entirely.  The graphics Apple offers is actually decent for gaming (of course, you do have to climb up the ladder a bit).  They are starting to open up to more games, and they will actually run quite well on the newer models.  Additionally, you can dual boot to run the games.  This is a hassle, I'll admit that.  The option is there though.  I do agree that the gaming support isn't there 100%, but it growing.

 

We're in 2012, the Nexus 4 has no user replaceable batter.  It doesn't have a microSD extension...  It doesn't have LT...  OK, maybe that was too far.  I do agree that a user replaceable battery would be nice.  Even an SD card slot.  I'll give you that.  Apple will replace your battery for 90 dollars out of warranty, actually, you get a refurbished model.  If in warranty, the replacement is free. 

 

I agree that Apple products will not be for everyone.  Especially the person who demands the top line hardware fused with 100% customization.  May a suggest a custom built Linux machine (I'm not being sarcastic BTW, I actually think you'd be a good match for this :))?  They're so much fun to play with and very power-user-friendly :)  Even moreso than Microsoft (especially now ;)). 

post #20 of 22
Apple products and android products are the scum of the gaming world btw. No buttons and low priced toilet games are really ******* up the console space.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by raytraceme View Post

Apple products and android products are the scum of the gaming world btw. No buttons and low priced toilet games are really ******* up the console space.

 

I will admit that console games won't work well on touch screen devices, they can only get so good.  There are some games that would work better with a touch screen than a console though.  Something like a Sim City, RPG (some not all), or even an RTS would work better on the touch screen than a console or computer...  But no, an FPS won't work so well.  Racing is a mixed bag IMO, the tilt controls can be either good or bad depending on how it's programmed.  But the problem is that it just doesn't have enough control.  They work, and are fine for on the go in my opinion despite not being able to replace the console.

post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by raytraceme View Post

Apple products and android products are the scum of the gaming world btw. No buttons and low priced toilet games are really ******* up the console space.

From the looks of it, they are the dreams of the gaming world. Due to them, the gaming world is exploading with people making all the games and everything.

 

Yes, I am taking your post in another direction. The new awesome statistics comming out for the gaming world includes games that you yourself wouldn't call a real game. All those"fake" games like Infinity Blade or games in the App store that are just fun. The console space? Both the console space and tablet smartphone gaming space is what is really halting more futuristic and next gen game developmetns. 

 

So in general of the gaming world which includes all games. They are actually bringing games back from consoles and making gaming on a computer or smartphone even more popular than ever. 

 

There are aftermarket controllers for select Android devices which uses USB OTG if I recall correctly.

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