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post #16 of 31
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

The Acoustic Symmetry thing is stated to match each earpiece at +/-1dB. But this doesn't really mean that the W4s can't have this. In fact, they had probably meant that they did check for the W4R more carefully, and that the W4s had more variance. Not to say that the W4s can't be matched perfectly, just that they aren't as consistent. If you still have both on hand right now, I would really like to see some blind ABX tests/volume level measurements to reaffirm this. You would probably be one of the first to do so! 

 

As an aside, I just attempted to measure the volume on each individual earpiece with some cardboard, foam, and a SPL meter. While not entirely accurate by any means due to the nature of the gear, they did manage to stay within +/-1dB of each other from what I saw. Maybe I got a good pair?


Hey

 

Well anyone could tell the difference if they listen to them side by side, for some it could be a majour issue of not having both the drivers on the W4 balanced perfectly, but unfortunately it exists, it will be more prominent to you as how much you use it, and how long you use them for, until you notice a difference, I have tried my other friend's W4, and I still can say that one driver is indeed stronger than the other, That is why the W4R has been introduced to overcome this issue, I can confirm that it is nuetral as it can be on the W4R, and is balanced perfectly, the exact Acoustic Symmetry Westone is talking about, Hence the guy from the video states that Westone checks each driver of the W4R so they match the drivers perfectly.

post #17 of 31
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Originally Posted by stationwagon View Post


Hey

 

Well anyone could tell the difference if they listen to them side by side, for some it could be a majour issue of not having both the drivers on the W4 balanced perfectly, but unfortunately it exists, it will be more prominent to you as how much you use it, and how long you use them for, until you notice a difference, I have tried my other friend's W4, and I still can say that one driver is indeed stronger than the other, That is why the W4R has been introduced to overcome this issue, I can confirm that it is nuetral as it can be on the W4R, and is balanced perfectly, the exact Acoustic Symmetry Westone is talking about, Hence the guy from the video states that Westone checks each driver of the W4R so they match the drivers perfectly.

I don't doubt what you hear, as channel imbalance is generally quite easy to discern. Curious as to whether or not the experience would be similar across multiple pairs. What's even more curious, as stated by kookoo before, is why none of this has trickled down to the regular W4s and other models down Westone's ladder. 

 

Has anyone found any measurements confirming this yet. I've seen Goldenear's, but haven't the knowledge to make sense of it.

post #18 of 31
Anybody else hear a channel imbalance in the Westone 4? I'm going to buy one of them, either the 4 or 4R.
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by RickH9 View Post

Anybody else hear a channel imbalance in the Westone 4? I'm going to buy one of them, either the 4 or 4R.

 

I didn't have it on my first pair, but if the chance of it happening bothers you, just get the 4R. That's what I did.

post #20 of 31
Thread Starter 
The imbalance thing is on off thing you either hear it or you don't and can be dominant in some music you listen to. Its better off getting the 4r
post #21 of 31
Maybe I'm crazy but I felt like there was an acoustic difference between the 4 and 4R, and not channel balance. Incidentally I liked the 4 better than the 4R. I was using the same source and tips. Could this have been a fluke in in if the sets? I'd like to think it wasn't just me so I'm wondering if anyone has felt they heard a difference in sound sig.

Anyone?
post #22 of 31

It could be both side drivers impedance are not matching pair thus causing the imbalance.

 

In Audiophile, it happened time to time if the speaker manufacturer are not careful with driver's impedance measurement.

 

That mean matching impedance pair of drivers built into left and right earphone can be done without the need of "Acoustic Symmetry" which might just be another commercial gimmick to attract more customer.

post #23 of 31

Sorry to revive this thread but I can't help myself.

I have better hearing in one ear over the other, hopefully my 4's will help make up the difference bigsmile_face.gif

 

On the other hand, never heard any imbalance on my pair.

 

Granted one hears what they hear, yet, Westone would love all of us 4 owners to rush out and replace their 4's with 4R's that probably sound 99.9% the same.

 

On the other hand, if I was buying a new pair today I would probably put out for the 4R's, as I like the idea of a removable cable.

post #24 of 31

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Westone/W4R/

 

Westone is one of the biggest brands in the earphone industry. Their latest set of in-ears is an upgraded version of their highly acclaimed Westone 4 in-ears. Dubbed the Westone 4R this new version comes with a user replaceable cable system and has more tightly matched drivers. The model will be introduced at $50 more than the original 4s, meaning you have to be willing to spend $499 plus shipping for a set of these earphones. The 4Rs use the same driver setup as the old 4s (two bass, one mid, one treble driver). Nothing has changed on the cross-over side so it is pretty much the same internals as the original 4s, besides the better matched drivers.

i dont know if the w4r really do have different matched drivers on the w4r vs the w4?
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Westone/W4R/

 

Westone is one of the biggest brands in the earphone industry. Their latest set of in-ears is an upgraded version of their highly acclaimed Westone 4 in-ears. Dubbed the Westone 4R this new version comes with a user replaceable cable system and has more tightly matched drivers. The model will be introduced at $50 more than the original 4s, meaning you have to be willing to spend $499 plus shipping for a set of these earphones. The 4Rs use the same driver setup as the old 4s (two bass, one mid, one treble driver). Nothing has changed on the cross-over side so it is pretty much the same internals as the original 4s, besides the better matched drivers.

i dont know if the w4r really do have different matched drivers on the w4r vs the w4?


The tolerance for the 4R is 2 dB...  We've had people on Head-Fi complain about the mismatched drivers on the 4 (non-R). 

post #26 of 31
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The tolerance for the 4R is 2 dB...  We've had people on Head-Fi complain about the mismatched drivers on the 4 (non-R). 

 

I don't remember it being a problem when the R's were released, they were fairly well regarded when they came out.

I'm sure that there may have been some instances, but I don't remember it, and if it had been a problem back then, you can bet that threads would have been made with people complaining about the lack of quality control on Westone's part.

Oh, found one thread, with about 20 posts.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/588522/westone-4-driver-miss-match-should-be-disscused/15

 

Still think the whole thing is a marketing stunt, granted with a few possible instances of real driver problems.

 

It was only after the 4R's that people started to come out of the woodwork and complain about it, and even then it wasn't many.


Edited by Carlsan - 6/28/13 at 11:08pm
post #27 of 31
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I don't remember it being a problem when the R's were released, they were fairly well regarded when they came out.

I'm sure that there may have been some instances, but I don't remember it, and if it had been a problem back then, you can bet that threads would have been made with people complaining about the lack of quality control on Westone's part.

 

Still think the whole thing is a marketing stunt, granted with a few possible instances of real driver problems.

 

It was only after the 4R's that people started to come out of the woodwork and complain about it, and even then it wasn't many.

 

I do remember a few people on Head-Fi complaining about it. 

post #28 of 31
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Originally Posted by stationwagon View Post

Hello Everyone

Today I am speaking of the Westone 4R and the Westone 4 and I would like to conclude that both of these earphones do have some difference, first and the main difference would be the Acoustic Symmetry, I had a friend of mine compare them from side to side and he had suggested that while in the Westone 4, one of the drivers seemed prominent than the other, while on the Westone 4R, it was evenly matched, care to give any comments?

Hi man,

How do you notice of that ?
I've been using both IEM after I got the replacement of my W4 with the newer model W4R using STAR tips, I couldn't notice any difference in sound quality to my ears.

without reading the full specs from Westone Official site: http://www.westone.com/music/index.php/products/personal-listening/westone-4r.html
"Acoustic Symmetry +/- 2dB acoustically matched earpieces."

and this web page review: http://www.earphonesolutions.com/w4r-review.html

I wouldn't have a clue if there is any improvement apart from the removable cable.
post #29 of 31

John, I hope you are not expecting a reply from Stationwagon.  He was banned and posted this a year ago.
 

post #30 of 31

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.  DON'T BE SO GULLIBLE!

 

How sloppy do you think Westone's purchasing spec is with The W4 drivers?  

 

They already buy within a very tight spec where variations would not be disernable to the human ear.  Otherwise, what would be the point, right??

 

Matching drivers within a few thousandths is fine but you will never know.  Especially when they don't even include a certification of any kind.

 

It's all marketing and a reason to charge and make more.

 

Your ear canal anatomy between your ears has MUCH more variation than any two L and R drivers you would buy, even on a $10 pair of earbuds.


Edited by Spyro - 8/17/13 at 6:00pm
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