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post #916 of 1092
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Originally Posted by azynneo View Post

does anyone wear the kaedes upside down on an over the ear position?

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I feel like the treble becomes much more hot when I flip it upside down lol.

 

A cable-over-the-ear fit changes the angle of insertion (unless you swap L & R housings), so that could well explain why you wouldn't get optimal SQ that way.

 

post #917 of 1092

In my case I get optimal fit wearing them this way. As you'll notice angling them sideways with the cable over ear the housing points upwards. My ear canals go in and have a sharp crook into the second bend going up. So this yields me the best fit, isolation and sound. They also barely protrude out of my ears (slightly but not by much at all, the 1Plus2 stick out more in comparison).
 

post #918 of 1092
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

A cable-over-the-ear fit changes the angle of insertion (unless you swap L & R housings), so that could well explain why you wouldn't get optimal SQ that way.



Yes i realize that lol i thought it would be something you were enjoying
post #919 of 1092
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Yes i realize that lol i thought it would be something you were enjoying

 

No!  ;)  I get the best SQ with a cable-down fit, which I'm pretty sure is the way the KAEDEs / F4s are meant to be worn, BTW.

post #920 of 1092

Another track rendered brilliantly by the KAEDEs — timbre and soundstage depth, in particular, stand out: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/All+Of+Us/4CSnY7?src=5.

post #921 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

In my case I get optimal fit wearing them this way. As you'll notice angling them sideways with the cable over ear the housing points upwards. My ear canals go in and have a sharp crook into the second bend going up. So this yields me the best fit, isolation and sound. They also barely protrude out of my ears (slightly but not by much at all, the 1Plus2 stick out more in comparison).
 

 

Any comments on how they compare (or don't) in the sound department?

post #922 of 1092
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Any comments on how they compare (or don't) in the sound department?

 

Well technically the 1Plus2 is superior IMO. But the key is in terms of overall enjoyment I enjoy both very much. With the Kaede though since it was fatiguing for me and too unforgiving on tracks I found myself putting it away and grabbing the 1Plus2s. With the Sui I can use them for days and not touch my 1Plus2. So it goes to show how much I do enjoy them.


Regarding sound the 1Plus2 is more accurate in its presentation. At presenting a large out of head sound staging with pinpoint accuracy. You are able to imagine yourself in relation to the band on stage. With the Sui it's not so much the case as there is more ambiance. For me especially on particular tracks it's like I'm in a stadium in comparison and cannot imagine where I am in relation to the music. It's just very vast. Basically with the 1Plus2 I can close my eyes and picture the bad in front of me. I'd say I'm in the 2nd or 3rd row center area.

 

I feel the Sui and Kaede have more emphasis on treble than the 1Plus2 & Sui but not necessarily more extension. The 1Plus2 is definitely smoother in it's presentation compared to both. The mids on the Sui are a tad recessed while I don't think the 1Plus2 or Kaede are recessed at all in the mid range. The mid range on the Kaede was quite nice and my favorite aspect of this IEM. I also give the 1Plus2 the nod in this area (accuracy). Lastly is the bass. I still find the 1Plus2 to have the best bass I've heard in an IEM. But the Sui and Kaede do extremely well on the low end and is for me personally one of the highlights to owning them. I felt the Kaedes bass was leaner than the Sui. It's hard for me to say if the Sui goes deeper but from memory I do feel the Sui bass does go deeper. It's not quite as controlled as on the Kaede and has more bass quantity (which I prefer to be honest). I'm sure this helps with the treble.

 

So while the 1Plus2 is surely better than both IEMs in regards to technicality and overall sound quality. That doesn't mean I don't get a lot of enjoyment from my Suis. I use them a lot and for $475.00 I find them to be an absolute steel. I most definitely like them more than my former 8As and other pricier gear. That saying a lot IMO. So far the Flat 4 has been the only IEM that I feel has been able to compliment my 1Plus2s.

 

I wanted to add that both the Kaede and Sui are extremely fast for dynamic drivers and that is a huge plus.


Edited by lee730 - 7/28/13 at 5:52am
post #923 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

Well technically the 1Plus2 is superior IMO. But the key is in terms of overall enjoyment I enjoy both very much. With the Kaede though since it was fatiging for me and too unforgiving on tracks I found myself putting it away and grabbing the 1Plus2s. With the Sui I can use them for days and not touch my 1Plus2. So it goes to show how much I do enjoy them.

Well said. Can't say for the Sui but agree on the 1plus2

post #924 of 1092
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...With the Sui it's not so much the case as there is more ambiance. For me especially on particular tracks it's like I'm in a stadium in comparison and cannot imagine where I am in relation to the music. It's just very vast....

 

WOW!!

post #925 of 1092

Now that we officially have the Kings of sibilance & harshness, the EX1000 & KAEDEs (The K3003s, of course, being the Masters of grainy treble), here's something interesting: Here's a track I like a lot, but never quite enjoyed it with the EX1000s (a bit too thin-sounding at low & mid volumes, and at higher volumes (in order to get proper bass presence) the treble would be problematic. The same track with the KAEDEs sounds so much better (great low-end, layering & detail retrieval) at diff volume settings: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Blue+Monday+12+Version/3GNqJk?src=5

post #926 of 1092
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Now that we officially have the Kings of sibilance & harshness, the EX1000 & KAEDEs (The K3003s, of course, being the Masters of grainy treble), here's something interesting: Here's a track I like a lot, but never quite enjoyed it with the EX1000s (a bit too thin-sounding at low & mid volumes, and at higher volumes (in order to get proper bass presence) the treble would be problematic. The same track with the KAEDEs sounds so much better (great low-end, layering & detail retrieval) at diff volume settings: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Blue+Monday+12+Version/3GNqJk?src=5

is it wrong for me to enjoy every single bit of micro-detail the kaede provides on a very airy adventure? I can't find where it goes wrong in any track for me :)

post #927 of 1092
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is it wrong for me to enjoy every single bit of micro-detail the kaede provides on a very airy adventure? I can't find where it goes wrong in any track for me :)

 

If you're enjoying your KAEDEs that much, there are 4 possible reasons for that:

1.  There's something wrong with your KAEDEs, ie they are faulty.
2.  They are fake.
3.  You got a pair of SUIs instead of a pair of KAEDEs.
4.  There's something very wrong with your hearing.

Pleaser note that a genuine, fully functioning pair of KAEDEs is very poor-sounding—or rather mediocre at best.

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Stunning performance by the KAEDEs: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Tord+Gustavsen+Trio+Around+You/3zoifO?src=5

post #928 of 1092
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

If you're enjoying your KAEDEs that much, there are 4 possible reasons for that:

1.  There's something wrong with your KAEDEs, ie they are faulty.
2.  They are fake.
3.  You got a pair of SUIs instead of a pair of KAEDEs.
4.  There's something very wrong with your hearing.

Pleaser note that a genuine, fully functioning pair of KAEDEs is very poor-sounding—or rather mediocre at best.

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Stunning performance by the KAEDEs: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Tord+Gustavsen+Trio+Around+You/3zoifO?src=5

or.. could just be I like very thin, micro-detail, hd800 sibilance up the ass, and has great synergy with the ak120s?

 

I mean I'm sure I'd hear better but since I'm just getting back into IEMS there are plenty of other universals I haven't tried yet. Only other one I've tried was the 334s and that was way back when I had a dx100.

 

Some people do tell me they can't stand the setups I usually listen to, it's good but treble is too harsh, lows are too recessed, soundstage too artificial, or.. just "I prefer my setup"


Edited by azynneo - 7/28/13 at 1:49pm
post #929 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Well technically the 1Plus2 is superior IMO. But the key is in terms of overall enjoyment I enjoy both very much. With the Kaede though since it was fatiguing for me and too unforgiving on tracks I found myself putting it away and grabbing the 1Plus2s. With the Sui I can use them for days and not touch my 1Plus2. So it goes to show how much I do enjoy them.

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Awesome comparison, lee. Thanks!
post #930 of 1092
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Originally Posted by azynneo View Post

 

Some people do tell me they can't stand the setups I usually listen to, it's good but treble is too harsh, lows are too recessed, soundstage too artificial, or.. just "I prefer my setup"

 

Then those people are probably right—and wiser than you are!

 

FWIW, I personally prefer the KAEDEs over the TG334s. One thing I love about the KAEDEs is that there's no bass bleed into the midrange, yet both mid & upper bass have just the right body / presence / quantity (not lean, which was one of the issues I sometimes had with the excellent EX1000s and more so with the F111s); and though there's indeed treble energy, it hardly ever seems harsh to these ears (and by now I've thrown all sorts of music at them), so I can listen—and have indeed listened—to music with these IEMs for hours on end, several times.


Edited by music_4321 - 7/28/13 at 2:17pm
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