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 There are many adjectives that one can use to describe the KAEDE but the one that I have settled on is "compelling". This IEM walks into one's life and demands attention.

Though, there's one thing I fear.

 

Hopefully this attention doesn't bring it or us down on a dark spiral. Like some threads.

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How much time do you have on your pair now? For some reason they've gotten noticeably more harsh on recordings lately and not in a good way :(. I'm running them in with some pink noise hoping the sound changes. If not I may be putting them up for sale... Maybe the Sui is more of my cup of tea since it is more forgiving on recordings... rolleyes.gif

 

 

Compelling is an accurate description I think. I have found them to be very sensitive to both source & quality of recording. With the wrong one of either, harshness can rear its ugly head.

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Compelling is an accurate description I think. I have found them to be very sensitive to both source & quality of recording. With the wrong one of either, harshness can rear its ugly head.

 

This wasn't much of an issue at all for the Sui. On certain tracks once in a while yes. But generally with most of my music they were quite good. So I'm a bit worried now because I prefer to have that versatility.

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I knew that you would come around.  biggrin.gif

 

Well I didn't but I am not surprised either. There are many adjectives that one can use to describe the KAEDE but the one that I have settled on is "compelling". This IEM walks into one's life and demands attention.

 

Well, when a phone renders a lot of the music by some of your favourite bands / musicians / composers—the KAEDEs do shine on well-mastered music—you inevitably have to "come round".

However, I have to say the term "compelling" is reserved exclusively for the PFs / 1601s even though our Eternal Newbie Hf'er, who goes by the name of utdeep, will naturally strongly disagree… eventually.

 

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How much time do you have on your pair now? For some reason they've gotten noticeably more harsh on recordings lately and not in a good way :(. I'm running them in with some pink noise hoping the sound changes. If not I may be putting them up for sale... Maybe the Sui is more of my cup of tea since it is more forgiving on recordings... rolleyes.gif

 

My pair must have ~30 hrs. I'm really having no issues with hot / harsh treble at all, and I've even found myself turning the volume up quite a few times out of sheer enjoyment or, at times, because of wanting to have more mids presence, in which case, fortunately, the bass has 'behaved' exceedingly well now that I have the Ortofon tips.

 

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Though, there's one thing I fear.

 

Hopefully this attention doesn't bring it or us down on a dark spiral. Like some threads.

 

I think I know exactly what you mean, so might as well light a candle—or 100!—before the FR...


Edited by music_4321 - 7/8/13 at 7:22am
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Well, when a phone renders a lot of the music by some of your favourite bands / musicians / composers—the KAEDEs do shine on well-mastered music—you inevitably have to "come round".

However, I have to say the term "compelling" is reserved exclusively for the PFs / 1601s even though our Eternal Newbie Hf'er, who goes by the name of utdeep, will naturally strongly disagree… eventually.

 

 

My pair must have ~30 hrs. I'm really having no issues with hot / harsh treble at all, and I've even found myself turning the volume up quite a few times out of sheer enjoyment or, at times, because of wanting to have more mids presence, in which case, fortunately, the bass has 'behaved' exceedingly well now that I have the Ortofon tips).

 

 

I think I know exactly what you mean, so might as well light a candle—or 100!—before the FR...

 

 

Hmmm I'm wondering with usage have they smoothed out further for you? I don't think I've used them for 30 plus hours yet.... I'm really on the fence right now as they are not impressing me like I was on the Suis earlier on. But I did spend quite a bit more time with the Suis and they did improve with usage from what I recall. So I probably should just give them more time.... But at the same time I have a potential offer to sell them off. If I can sell two key items I'm probably gonna shoot for the SE5 and just keep the Sui. Choices, choices.... rolleyes.gif


Edited by lee730 - 7/8/13 at 7:25am
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Hmmm I'm wondering with usage have they smoothed out further for you? I don't think I've used them for 30 plus hours yet.... I'm really on the fence right now as they are not impressing me like I was on the Suis earlier on. But I did spend quite a bit more time with the Suis and they did improve with usage from what I recall. So I probably should just give them more time.... But at the same time I have a potential offer to sell them off. If I can sell two key items I'm probably gonna shoot for the SE5 and just keep the Sui. Choices, choices.... rolleyes.gif

 

Can't really say, but won't rule it out. Bear in mind I was using the Sony tips for a couple of days and the Ortofons since Friday evening. The whole issue of burn-in, as you know, for me is often terribly exaggerated and overrated, so I just normally give my phones 5-10 hrs' burn-in at most. The way we describe and perceive sound varies depending on quite a few variable, but I won't go into those now (again). FWIW, I haven't run into the same treble issues I had with the EX1000 / EX600, ie I find the KAEDEs more forgiving of poor source material (read:a better all-rounder), so unlike with the Sonys I'm enjoying quite a bit more music.

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Can't really say, but won't rule it out. Bear in mind I was using the Sony tips for a couple of days and the Ortofons since Friday evening. The whole issue of burn-in, as you know, for me is often terribly exaggerated and overrated, so I just normally give my phones 5-10 hrs' burn-in at most. The way we describe and perceive sound varies depending on quite a few variable, but I won't go into those now (again). FWIW, I haven't run into the same treble issues I had with the EX1000 / EX600, ie I find the KAEDEs more forgiving of poor source material (read:a better all-rounder), so unlike with the Sonys I'm enjoying quite a bit more music.

 

Well I can't argue with you there they are indeed more forgiving than the EX1000 for me. But it's still pretty bad. I mean even on tracks where I never heard the treble as sounding harsh/vehement. Not that it's causing me any sort of pain. Just taking away from the enjoyment for me :(. I tried using the large Orthofon tips and I cannot for the life of me get any sort of seal on my right ear so that's out of the question..... rolleyes.gif

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I knew that you would come around.  biggrin.gif


Well I didn't but I am not surprised either. There are many adjectives that one can use to describe the KAEDE but the one that I have settled on is "compelling". This IEM walks into one's life and demands attention.
I would take Kaede and your schizophrenic Germans over the 334 too...
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I have been listening to the Kaede often recently and while I love them still, especially thr tonality of percussions, I do find the mids somewhat recessed on certain tracks, compared to Miracles or 1plus2, making m3 crank up the volume.
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Well I can't argue with you there they are indeed more forgiving than the EX1000 for me. But it's still pretty bad. I mean even on tracks where I never heard the treble as sounding harsh/vehement. Not that it's causing me any sort of pain. Just taking away from the enjoyment for me :(. I tried using the large Orthofon tips and I cannot for the life of me get any sort of seal on my right ear so that's out of the question..... rolleyes.gif

 

Well, just like different tips work better / worse for diff people, we also have diff sound preferences and freq thresholds / tolerances, so, in the end, the SUIs might be more up your street (still wonder just how different these two models are). Then again, there's the remote chance you have a faulty pair of Kaedes.......or fakes!

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

Well, just like different tips work better / worse for diff people, we also have diff sound preferences and freq thresholds / tolerances, so, in the end, the SUIs might be more up your street (still wonder just how different these two models are). Then again, there's the remote chance you have a faulty pair of Kaedes.......or fakes!

 

lol imagine there being fake Flat 4s on the market :P. Anyways my Suis should be coming home to me soon. The Kaedes may be gone by then though but I'll see what I can do from memory if it comes to that. Still I have to admit the Kaedes are killer in game. The precision of the sound staging is insanely good. Where I became one with the game. The differences in price personally don't justify the means. But they are noticeably different going from memory. The Kaede is overall more refined. With its treble going even further (in my case not such a good thing). I think the Sui had a more raw approach to its sound. More rough around the edges yet not as fatiguing as the Kaede strangely enough. Also since the Suis mids are a bit more recessed it seems to lend itself to a more spacious sound staging. Not a huge difference mind you but I think the presentation was slightly bigger on the Sui. It was also easier to raise the volume even higher on the Sui without fatigue (more headroom). I also think the Sui might have had slightly more bass quantity than the Kaede which in turn could also have helped it to be less fatiguing.


Edited by lee730 - 7/8/13 at 8:04am
post #747 of 1068
Maybe your Kaede was made out of a part the tree with a bad knot in it.
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^   Or the part of the tree where Japanese sparrows—notorious for being a little too mischievous—deposit their droppings when not doing so in mid-air.

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A fly by ;).

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^   Or the part of the tree where Japanese sparrows—notorious for being a little too mischievous—deposit their droppings when not doing so in mid-air.
Even more likely.
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