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Random thoughts:

---  If the Kuro is the more sibilant of the Flat4s, then I need to get my hands on a pair and put my Kaedes up for sale.

---  I need to see proof Mr utdeep has already ordered a pair of Piano Fortes so that I can take him a little more seriously and stop thinking of him as "the eternal newbie" (even when he's been a member for nearly 12 years).

---  I'd like to know why AnakChan purchased the Kaedes (apart from the fact this model seems to have a limited run and that he wanted to have the very last one made, ie the one with S/N M200)

---  The Kaede's dynamic range seems to be proving to be among the best I've heard **

---  Although the Kaedes do extract plenty details from the recording, I find these details blend in very well, perhaps a product of the type of drivers used (DDs) or the technology developed by Mr Makoto Yamagishi, so in that particular aspect they remind me of the excellent HD800s, where the detail retrieval is never bothersome or seems artificial (to these ears).

---  I still wish the midrange was a tad more prominent, but this may well be a product of our midrange-loving sparrow who seems to often crave this particular frequency, so perhaps he's asking a bit too much of an otherwise excellent IEM. Perhaps even his previous description of a "somewhat recessed midrange" was not as accurate as he thinks since he may well prefer a, er, somewhat forward midrange.

---  Absolutely impressive soundstage, very headphone-like. From memory, the Kaedes soundstage beats the truly excellent EX1000s in the depth department, while keeping up with the EX1000's very impressive width.

---  There's a cleanliness to the sound—sophistication?—on the Kaedes that seems more evident as I spend more time with them, a cleanliness the IE800s did not have.

---  I get absolutely no fatigue, though I'm sure this is related to the volume levels I tend to listen to, but I do crank it up a bit at times.

---  On well-mastered material, the Kaedes are simply wonderful. On poorly recorded albums I don't think they're as brutal / merciless as the EX1000s (and EX600s), but on well-mastered material the EX1000s, in particular, were phenomenal.

---  I find myself enjoying the Kaedes more than the 334s, even though the latter had some of the very best midrange I've heard in any head/earphone. The FitEars would wow me for a few minutes, but then something would seem not quite right / missing — my guess is that I seem to hear a more natural presentation on the Kaedes; also the 334s didn't work too well with some of the music I listen to as the (mid) bass would become a little intrusive.

** For some reason my K3003s & Kaedes are the only two IEMs where I've noticed a clear—though not dramatic—sonic improvement when hooked to my (desktop amp) V200, ie both scale very well, but both still sound pretty amazing out my 4G Touch's HPO.

post #677 of 1093
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Wow words such as "bright", "sibilance", "fatique" seems commonly associated with the flat fours. Yet they seem to get a lot if love. But for how long one can overlook these characteristics ???????

I wish I could hear a pair in Australia for I kinda like so called bright( but not sibilant or fatiquing) headphones like grado rs1i, akg 3003. So are The Kaede be brighter than these headphones? For even I would think twice about getting a flat 4 if they were brighter than those 2 headphones.

 

That's hard to say really. But from memory I'm listening to the Kaede at even higher volume levels than on the AKG 3003 without fatigue. I think the Kaede are brighter still (oxymoron).... But I think the treble is actually smoother in its presentation which leads to this. The Sui I most definitely listened at higher volumes without issue. I think the AKG3003 are better suited though when listening at low volume levels than the Kaede and Sui. Only the FX700 was on par with them in this aspect IMO.


Edited by lee730 - 7/5/13 at 5:52am
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I find the K3003's treble more refined, accurate and true to the recording, and also a bit more forgiving of poor source material than the Kaedes. Although I haven't AB'd both the K3003 & Kaedes yet, I still find the K3003 to be a better IEM technically, with a more convincing tonal balance, and closer sonically to the best phone I've heard, the HD800.

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Wow words such as "bright", "sibilance", "fatique" seems commonly associated with the flat fours. Yet they seem to get a lot if love. But for how long one can overlook these characteristics ???????

I wish I could hear a pair in Australia for I kinda like so called bright( but not sibilant or fatiquing) headphones like grado rs1i, akg 3003. So are The Kaede be brighter than these headphones? For even I would think twice about getting a flat 4 if they were brighter than those 2 headphones.

 

Not really the same question though. elnero asked which is the more sibilant of the 3. Not which is sibilant.

 

Where are you in Oz? I'm making a quick trip to Perth in Aug. Can bring the Kaede's with me.

 

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Random thoughts:

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---  I'd like to know why AnakChan purchased the Kaedes (apart from the fact this model seems to have a limited run and that he wanted to have the very last one made, ie the one with S/N M200)
 

 

1) Cos it's limited edition :P. And no I didn't get the last (M174). I had that last in the shop (the last batch of 15 of which 13 were reserved, and 2 were on the shelf of which one was mine).

2) Cos it was EveTan's fault :P

3) Cos I wanted a change from FitEar's house sound (or at least from the TG!334 and MH335DW signatures). I do have the 1Plus2 but through a comedy of errors, my Uber is on it's way to Russia (and hopefully it'll come back), and it's too delicate for daily on-the-go use.

 

It was a big toss up in the air as to whether I'd go for the Kaede, SE846, or Parterre. I've yet to try the SE846 as there are no demos around and the Kaedes turned up first.

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So how are you enjoying them thus far AnakChan? I'm surprised you opted for them actually. But I do really enjoy the signature. Hard for me to call it refreshing in the sense of soothing lol. It's a bit too energetic for that cup of tea ;).

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So how are you enjoying them thus far AnakChan? I'm surprised you opted for them actually. But I do really enjoy the signature. Hard for me to call it refreshing in the sense of soothing lol. It's a bit too energetic for that cup of tea ;).

 

I dunno! I've literally just popped them in my ears 15 sec ago. Been busy with family after the purchase.

 

I generally don't think much of most dynamic drivers/headphones straight out of the box. Maybe ask me 48 hrs later I might give some very preliminary thoughts.

 

What I do know is that I need a change from the FitEar signatures - something new that'll make me toe tap to Katy Perry ksc75smile.gif.

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Ahh getting bored I see. Same here. That's why I wanted 3 very different signatures to keep things fresh. Otherwise I end up loosing that spark for what I have from boredom. The problem about going between very different signature is the time in-between to assimilate to the sound signatures. I'm not very patient at all and that aspect pisses me off to no end. rolleyes.gif


Edited by lee730 - 7/5/13 at 6:35am
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Actually I forgot to add, it was music_4321's review a few pages back that really pushed me over to the Kaede's side of the fence. Before that I was fence sitting for some time since EveTan's Kaede's. Except Music_4321's highly weird interest in the FAD, I think in general I can relate to his preferences.

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For me Spkrs01 and Muppet pushed me over with the curiosity. Then once I sat down with the Suis and fell for their sound signature I started lusting for the Kaede. Shigzeo didn't help at all there lol. He's the one who got me to pull the trigger honestly.


Edited by lee730 - 7/5/13 at 6:42am
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AnakChan

 

I for one will sure be looking out for your impressions of the Kaede....

 

 

 

Music_4321

 

Surprise surprise beerchug.gif

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** For some reason my K3003s & Kaedes are the only two IEMs where I've noticed a clear—though not dramatic—sonic improvement when hooked to my (desktop amp) V200, ie both scale very well, but both still sound pretty amazing out my 4G Touch's HPO.

 

Amped by my Quickstep, especially with the 15v power supply, my Kaedes are particularly engaging. Takes more volume to drive them than any of my other iems, the volume knob goes to ~75% to get the same levels as ~50% with other phones.

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 Except Music_4321's highly weird interest in the FAD, I think in general I can relate to his preferences.

 

Clearly an individual of questionable taste.

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Except Music_4321's highly weird interest in the FAD, I think in general I can relate to his preferences.

 

As wonderful as the Kaedes are—and at this stage I do think they are a wonderful IEM—I cannot connect to music with them the way I do through both the Piano Forte IX (aka 1602SS) & 1601SS; the midrange on the 160Xs is partly (or perhaps largely) responsible for that strong connection, as well as the sense of space (which is different to that of the Kaedes), but there are aspects to these FADs I'm still unable to figure out and have simply given up trying to. This connection is one I cannot get with either my HD800s or K3003s (or FI-BA-SS), though these also make me connect to music in different, more conventional though still deep, ways. So, I'd much more easily recommend the HD800s, K3003s, FI-BA-SS & Kaedes. With the 160Xs you either think they're pretty bad / wrong-sounding—or downright crap—or you think they're simply a stroke of genius even with their obvious skewed FR. And even then, several people who do appreciate the 160Xs don't seem to have the exact same view of them. Definitely an acquired taste (perhaps bad taste!)

 

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Music_4321

Surprise surprise beerchug.gif

 

   :)

 

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 Except Music_4321's highly weird interest in the FAD, I think in general I can relate to his preferences.

Clearly an individual of questionable taste.

 

Well, what do expect from someone who uses an iPod Touch as a portable source and listens to 192 / 256kbps AAC rips on their DAP instead of FLAC, WAV or HiRes files?


Edited by music_4321 - 7/5/13 at 7:25am
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2) Cos it was EveTan's fault :P

 

Your welcome :D.

3) Cos I wanted a change from FitEar's house sound (or at least from the TG!334 and MH335DW signatures). I do have the 1Plus2 but through a comedy of errors, my Uber is on it's way to Russia (and hopefully it'll come back), and it's too delicate for daily on-the-go use.

 

It was a big toss up in the air as to whether I'd go for the Kaede, SE846, or Parterre. I've yet to try the SE846 as there are no demos around and the Kaedes turned up first.

Funny thing is, I'm already feeling bored of the Kaede's sound. Not that it isn't exciting. Just Craving something different haha. 

 

Guess I should put some FitEar model onto my "next" list. Monet Hopefully they'll come out with a new custom by next spring.  

post #690 of 1093

With all this Kaede activity now..........I took out my pair and using the 901, WOW

 

The best source?

 

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