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post #661 of 1092
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What do you mean? You sold yours?

Sold the Kaede and Kuro to the same person on head-fi. Hope he will post some in depth comparisons here very soon.

post #662 of 1092
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M145

 

It sounds pretty good out of the AK120. Not the best I've heard them by a long shot though :).


You favorite combo is what ? Home setup ? What about in terms of DAP ? I suppose on the 1.21 it does not sound as good as on 1.00 though.

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You favorite combo is what ? Home setup ? What about in terms of DAP ? I suppose on the 1.21 it does not sound as good as on 1.00 though.

 

Well I'm actually on 1.11 so I don't know. I could be wrong maybe 1.00 sounds better than 1.11. Won't know until 5 years passes at this rate ;). Yes my desktop setup sound significantly better. I get the same enjoyment personally as the 1Plus2 on the desktop. Yet both IEMs are very different.


Edited by lee730 - 7/4/13 at 10:50pm
post #664 of 1092
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Well I'm actually on 1.11 so I don't know. I could be wrong maybe 1.00 sounds better than 1.11. Won't know until 5 years passes at this rate ;). Yes my desktop setup sound significantly better. I get the same enjoyment personally as the 1Plus2 on the desktop. Yet both IEMs are very different.


Ok thanks good to know.

post #665 of 1092
Watching the Kaede product entry on Fujiya's online page today is like keeping up-to-date on an Apple iPhone/iPad release. I've seen it in the morning from "order only" to "available" (in the afternoon), to the whole product taken off the Fujiya page altogether.
post #666 of 1092

For those that have heard the different Flat-4 variations, which deals best with sibilance?

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For those that have heard the different Flat-4 variations, which deals best with sibilance?

In terms of sibilance, Kuro and Kaede are pretty much the same.

post #668 of 1092
Maybe others can speak to this, but I found both the Kuro and the Kaede equally sibilant. The fact that I acquired them both again is a testament to everything else they bring to the table.

They seemed sibilant on music that would have curbed on being sibilant on any other headphone. Whenever I knew the 'sss' sounds were harsh on the original track,they would definitely be that way on the Ocharakus.

People have said they are "raw" headphones and detail monsters. I would have to agree. Where I feel most other headphones seemed tuned to avoid this, the Flat-4s don't seem to be. On poor/harsh recordings, your ears pay the price for their sound signature. On good recordings, you get all the benefits.
post #669 of 1092
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Maybe others can speak to this, but I found both the Kuro and the Kaede equally sibilant. The fact that I acquired them both again is a testament to everything else they bring to the table.

They seemed sibilant on music that would have curbed on being sibilant on any other headphone. Whenever I knew the 'sss' sounds were harsh on the original track,they would definitely be that way on the Ocharakus.

People have said they are "raw" headphones and detail monsters. I would have to agree. Where I feel most other headphones seemed tuned to avoid this, the Flat-4s don't seem to be. On poor/harsh recordings, your ears pay the price for their sound signature. On good recordings, you get all the benefits.

 

Hmm I figured the Kuro would be the least sibilant of them? My Kaede does seem even less forgiving than my Sui on poorly mastered tracks...

post #670 of 1092
Left Sui, middle Kaede, right Kuro


I must say at this very moment I kinda find the Kuro to be (Edit: "a little") more sibilant than the Kaede, & the Sui to be the least. But this demo Kuro may be new & unburnt in yet.

Test track is Chris Botti's Hallelujah.
post #671 of 1092
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Left Sui, middle Kaede, right Kuro


I must say at this very moment I kinda find the Kuro to be (Edit: "a little") more sibilant than the Kaede, & the Sui to be the least. But this demo Kuro may be new & unburnt in yet.

Test track is Chris Botti's Hallelujah.

 

Hmm interesting. I most definitely find the Kaede to be more fatiguing than the Sui. For some reason I was under the impression the Kuro would be the easiest on the ears. Guess not.... From what I recall I was able to listen to the Sui at higher volume levels without issue.


Edited by lee730 - 7/5/13 at 3:42am
post #672 of 1092
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Hmm interesting. I most definitely find the Kaede to be more fatiguing than the Sui. For some reason I was under the impression the Kuro would be the easiest on the ears. Guess not.... From what I recall I was able to listen to the Sui at higher volume levels without issue.
Sui is def the most forgiving.

I'm a little surprised by the Kuro too. I dunno, I'll listen I my Kaedes & see if they sound the same fresh out of the box vs the Kuro. If it sounds as sibilant, then possibly the Kuro demo wasn't bedded in.

The Kaede demos were quite bedded in (even from their condition).
post #673 of 1092
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Sui is def the most forgiving.

I'm a little surprised by the Kuro too. I dunno, I'll listen I my Kaedes & see if they sound the same fresh out of the box vs the Kuro. If it sounds as sibilant, then possibly the Kuro demo wasn't bedded in.

The Kaede demos were quite bedded in (even from their condition).

 

It's strange but initially I was thinking the Kaede and Kuro would be more forgiving than the Sui...

post #674 of 1092
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It's strange but initially I was thinking the Kaede and Kuro would be more forgiving than the Sui...


That was the impression I had as well. I thought the Kaede would be more forgiving than the SUI and the Kuro even more than the Kaede.

post #675 of 1092
Wow words such as "bright", "sibilance", "fatique" seems commonly associated with the flat fours. Yet they seem to get a lot if love. But for how long one can overlook these characteristics ???????

I wish I could hear a pair in Australia for I kinda like so called bright( but not sibilant or fatiquing) headphones like grado rs1i, akg 3003. So are The Kaede be brighter than these headphones? For even I would think twice about getting a flat 4 if they were brighter than those 2 headphones.
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