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---  For reasons I won't go into here, part of me really wanted to dislike these IEMs (seriously), but currently I'm having a hard time doing so.

 

Me too!! Seriously!!!

 

 

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---  No carrying case for a $900 IEM?? No comment, really, but I think it's rather obvious what I think about that — loved the packaging, though, absolutely perfect size, and, in it's own particular way, somewhat understated (perhaps the lack of a case is not such a capital sin, after all [seriously]).
 

 

Bordering on ridiculous, I agree as well.

 

 

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---  The Kaede may not be my favourite IEM, but I think my ears—at this stage—tell me I'll likely enjoy them more than the IE800s.

 

 

I'm pretty sure you will.

 

 

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---  Very interesting IEM sonically — I really need more time to determine just how good these phones are, but I do like what I'm hearing. Not as different-sounding as I'd thought, but indeed a different beast.
 

 

Give it time, young lad, give it time.       *woodcans ducks, again*

 

 

 

 

I was inspired enough by these cans to pull out the camera. Also influenced by music's photo where he included the blue cloth/'case'.

 

 

 

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---  The Kaede may not be my favourite IEM, but I think my ears—at this stage—tell me I'll likely enjoy them more than the IE800s.

 

I'm pretty sure you will.


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---  Very interesting IEM sonically — I really need more time to determine just how good these phones are, but I do like what I'm hearing. Not as different-sounding as I'd thought, but indeed a different beast.

 

Give it time, young lad, give it time.       *woodcans ducks, again*

 

It's been over 2.5 hours now with the KAEDEs (with Sony hybrids), and I have to be completely honest: The KAEDE really is a remarkable phone. I'm now glad I didn't cancel my order (wasn't joking when I said I wanted to dislike this IEM, and was hoping to cancel my order but it was already too late when I tried to do so)

 

As for the IE800 vs KAEDE, I did enjoy the IE800 a lot, but only with the Tera Player because the latter had rolled-off bass, but I did not enjoy the Senns that much with my more linear 4G Touch (or MBP + V200) with many albums — the bass on the Senns was often just too much for my taste. 

 

The KAEDEs are indeed more satisfying / convincing, and though not perfect, for me at least—I wish for a bit more mids presence (I am a bit of a mids-head) and at times a bit less bass, though not that often—they most definitely are a really great IEM, without a shadow of a doubt. This is a fun IEM without the often negative audiophile connotation of the term "fun", ie this IEM, to these ears, delivers true quality fun sound. Yes, the soundstage on these phones is quite remarkable indeed, and I don't believe it is only the result of a somewhat recessed midrange and more enhanced (mostly low) bass & treble. Still need to explore this IEM, try the Ortofon tips and listen to more albums / artists.

 

EDIT: Oh, and I really love the fact these are not as sensitive / efficient as the Piano Fortes, 1601s, FI-BA-SS / SBs, 334s, F111s, ES3X, UM3X, W3 & SE53Xs (and SM3s?), which is ideal for more subtle volume changes, very useful for those, like me, who don't tend to listen at high volume levels.


Edited by music_4321 - 7/3/13 at 4:52pm
post #618 of 1092

Well, just haven't been able to stop listening to these bleeding Keades (about 5 consecutive hours). Detail retrieval is really quite something without seeming that forced / in your face; timbre is just wonderful. This track sounds absolutely superb on these IEMs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GUq__yp24 (woodcans, I highly recommend this album to you)


Edited by music_4321 - 7/3/13 at 6:39pm
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Heh, Yamagishi-San claims yet another victim...

On the real though, the F-4's are fantastic phones, definitely in the upper echelon for me, or for what I'm interested in at least. Glad they're working out for you smily_headphones1.gif
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GUq__yp24 (woodcans, I highly recommend this album to you)

 

I was only able to listen with my PFIX's tonight, but nonetheless, an awesome collection of music.

 

And that's my highest compliment.

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Well, just haven't been able to stop listening to these bleeding Keades (about 5 consecutive hours). Detail retrieval is really quite something without seeming that forced / in your face; timbre is just wonderful. This track sounds absolutely superb on these IEMs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GUq__yp24 (woodcans, I highly recommend this album to you)


Congratulations Sparrow. Now I have more points of comparison beyond IE800 with you. And I bought this album recently to know Brian Eno better.


Edited by Mimouille - 7/3/13 at 9:00pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GUq__yp24 (woodcans, I highly recommend this album to you)

 

This is fantastic. I can't stop listening. Thank you.

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I'm very much enjoying my pair. They opened up considerably using them yesterday. Very happy with my purchase. The timbre on these is so elegant and refined. Yet so natural and effortless at the same time. The realism of the instruments in general is breathtaking. I was using them to game earlier today and man the sound staging is insanely good. The best I've used yet in game. I knew exactly where the opponent was most of the time and this is in far areas as well. Just so accurate on presenting the sound staging in game. This helps you to know where the enemy is and where to prefire. A really unfair advantage ;).

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Sigh. I need a flat-4 in my life.

 

I find it harder to listen to warmer signatures during the hot summer months. The Flat-4's cool signature would be perfect right now.

 

Psychoacoustics at work


Edited by eke2k6 - 7/3/13 at 10:42pm
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Sigh. I need a flat-4 in my life.

 

I find it harder to listen to warmer signatures during the hot summer months. The Flat-4's cool signature would be perfect right now.

 

 

I agree! Refreshing, like great Japanese Green tea. 

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I agree! Refreshing, like great Japanese Green tea. 

 

I really like how the vocals are more forward on the Kaede. I really can't call them U-shaped. Not to my ears. The Sui had a slight U shape to it but not the kaede. I like how it takes the refinement further in all three areas :). Can't say night and day difference but noticeably for me (going from memory BTW). In regards to gaming and spacial placement the Kaede are clearly better as I used the Suis for the same games and didn't do as well in regards to tracking my opponents. With the Kaede I found it to be like second nature.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Sigh. I need a flat-4 in my life.

I find it harder to listen to warmer signatures during the hot summer months. The Flat-4's cool signature would be perfect right now.

Psychoacoustics at work
I listen to Kaede and 1plus2 outside and se5 and sd3 inside with the A/C smily_headphones1.gif
post #628 of 1092

Both the Sui and Kaede are noticeably harder to drive than my 1Plus2 and Heir 8As. I'll generally be satisfied at volume 27 on the 8A, 34 with the 1Plus2 and around 41 to 45 on the Flat 4 (from AK120).

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I think you mean need more voltage rather than harder to drive. No Ocharaku earphone is hard to drive by any proper benchmark: not a one will induce more distortion at similar sound pressure levels than the other earphones you mentioned, and impedance swings aren't as harsh. They need less current, too, at the same volume levels, to sustain stable signals. So, while they may need more voltage, that only requires you to crank up the volume. Unless your source/player is very poor, you don't need an amp, either.

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I think you mean need more voltage rather than harder to drive. No Ocharaku earphone is hard to drive by any proper benchmark: not a one will induce more distortion at similar sound pressure levels than the other earphones you mentioned, and impedance swings aren't as harsh. They need less current, too, at the same volume levels, to sustain stable signals. So, while they may need more voltage, that only requires you to crank up the volume. Unless your source/player is very poor, you don't need an amp, either.

 

Doesn't voltage go hand in hand with driving headphones/IEMs? The harder to drive headphones need significantly more voltage? At least that is what I thought. While I agree you can drive them from basic sources I don't think they will sound nearly as good as from a good source (I use the term driving as to get the most potential out of the IEM/headphone). They are also not as efficient or sensitive as my other IEMs and take more volume to get to the same loudness. I feel they scale up the most on my Triad L3. While my 1Plus2 scales up even better on lesser sources in comparison.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-impedance


Edited by lee730 - 7/4/13 at 3:05am
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