Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Ocharaku Flat-4 KAEDE (Maple)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Ocharaku Flat-4 KAEDE (Maple) - Page 41

post #601 of 1068

I should be getting mine tomorrow. They were stuck in customs over the weekend. normal_smile%20.gif

post #602 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

I'm in Montreal for four days and left the KAEDE back in Toronto. It was a reasonable practical decision - I don't need two IEMs on a short trip and the Heaven VI is the better rough and tumble choice - but I am quite missing them. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I should be getting mine tomorrow. They were stuck in customs over the weekend. normal_smile%20.gif

 

I know my previous impressions sounded like an immature, newbie post, but I stand by it. These 'phones are very nice.

post #603 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by woodcans View Post

 

 

I know my previous impressions sounded like an immature, newbie post, but I stand by it. These 'phones are very nice.

 

I'm not so sure about that your impressions seemed spot on for me ;).

post #604 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

I'm not so sure about that your impressions seemed spot on for me ;).

 

 

^ I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but after some more extending listening, I suspect you aren't. :)

 

A few notes. With the TP & quickstep, the background is so black I continue to be impressed. These 'phones are detail & imaging monsters. The bass has excellent tonal differentiation and very good extension. And they still move me to dancing quite quickly, which, strangely enough (or not), is a true litmus test for me. And for all you Van Halen fans out there, they render a rim shot (and it's reverb) during the intro to Drop Dead Legs that is out of this world, not mention how fantastic Eddie's guitar sounds through them...

 

Having said that, they are definitely bright. Un-EQ'ed, with the 'crap' I listen to frequently, they are too bright for me directly out of the iphone 5. This is cured, though with the TP/QS rig. So far, that's my only criticism.

 

Comfort wise, extremely comfortable. Feels like having just a little bit more than air in my ears.

post #605 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by woodcans View Post

 

 

^ I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but after some more extending listening, I suspect you aren't. :)

 

A few notes. With the TP & quickstep, the background is so black I continue to be impressed. These 'phones are detail & imaging monsters. The bass has excellent tonal differentiation and very good extension. And they still move me to dancing quite quickly, which, strangely enough (or not), is a true litmus test for me. And for all you Van Halen fans out there, they render a rim shot (and it's reverb) during the intro to Drop Dead Legs that is out of this world, not mention how fantastic Eddie's guitar sounds through them...

 

Having said that, they are definitely bright. Un-EQ'ed, with the 'crap' I listen to frequently, they are too bright for me directly out of the iphone 5. This is cured, though with the TP/QS rig. So far, that's my only criticism.

 

Comfort wise, extremely comfortable. Feels like having just a little bit more than air in my ears.

 

I do agree they are on the brighter side but I think in large part the negativity associated with that is indeed your iphone itself not pairing so well. I have my pair right now and I think they are gonna need to be burned in for a few days. Going from memory on what happened on the Sui they noticeably opened up with a few days of usage. The sound staging in particular isn't as expansive as I'd like. The treble is more refined from what I recall as well as the mids/vocals being more upfront overall. The sound is still impressive but I do hope it does improve with some usage. BTW I'm not such a fan of the Comply tips. It takes away from the sound making them sound more laid back and the sound staging isn't as accurate with the comply tips. I'm still finding the large UE tips from my TF10s to work the best. I wear them over ear.


Edited by lee730 - 7/2/13 at 3:21pm
post #606 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

I do agree they are on the brighter side but I think in large part the negativity associated with that is indeed your iphone itself not pairing so well. I have my pair right now and I think they are gonna need to be burned in for a few days. Going from memory on what happened on the Sui they noticeably opened up with a few days of usage. The sound staging in particular isn't as expansive as I'd like. The treble is more refined from what I recall as well as the mids/vocals being more upfront overall. The sound is still impressive but I do hope it does improve with some usage. BTW I'm not such a fan of the Comply tips. It takes away from the sound making them sound more laid back and the sound staging isn't as accurate with the comply tips. I'm still finding the large UE tips from my TF10s to work the best. I wear them over ear.

 

I will be trying some different tips over the next few days.

 

Edit: I also have less than 48 hrs on them, since you mentioned a couple of days of burn in.


Edited by woodcans - 7/2/13 at 4:15pm
post #607 of 1068

Reagrding synergy, the Quickstep does perform nicely and I am really looking forward to trying the Pico Power when I get home. It is purported to have smooth treble.

 

Also looking foward to trying the Triple-Fi tips. The large Comply TS tips and the FAD Heaven VI Large B tips are both working pretty well for me. The FAD tips are more convenient but not necessarily better for sound. I am too busy to do a proper comparison on this trip.

post #608 of 1068

 

 

KAEDE (with Sony hybrids)

 

 

post #609 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

 

KAEDE (with Sony hybrids)

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

Congrats! Very nice photo! I tried the Sony tips earlier today, and quickly realized I liked the stock Comply's better. I am finding that this is a 'dig through your cd collection' type of 'phone. 

post #610 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

 

KAEDE (with Sony hybrids)

 

 

 

Nice!

 

Having tried this, I think that the opening of the Sony Hybrids is too small. It affects the sound stage a bit.

post #611 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Nice!

 

Having tried this, I think that the opening of the Sony Hybrids is too small. It affects the sound stage a bit.

 

 

I think you are right. I'm going to try some Ortofon's when I get home. If my memory serves me correctly, their opening is larger.

post #612 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Nice!

 

+1

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

Having tried this, I think that the opening of the Sony Hybrids is too small. It affects the sound stage a bit.

 

Will also increase bass, unless you shorten their stems and stretch their openings over the nozzle.

post #613 of 1068
Oh wow, songbird's part of the F-4 club now huh? Your secret decoder ring'll be comin in the mail smily_headphones1.gif
post #614 of 1068
Quote:
Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Oh wow, songbird's part of the F-4 club now huh? Your secret decoder ring'll be comin in the mail smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

Yeah, apparently he has a thing for 'clubs'. The more exclusive, the better, I suspect!

post #615 of 1068

Okay, a few preliminary thoughts after spending about 30-40 mins with the Kaedes trying Sony hybrids, FAD tips (from my FI-BA-SS) & Audio Technica tips (from my CKM99s); a very kind HF'er sent me 2 pairs of Ortofon tips (M & L) I should be getting tomorrow / Fri.

---  Sparrows dislike—hate, actually—A/B'ing gear (including tips)

---  music_4321 and Comply tips ain't very good friends (never have).

---  Sony hybrid's openings seem to practically match those of the Kaede's nozzles.

---  FAD & ATH tips' openings are wider.

---  I noticed almost instantly the Kaede's treble was slightly more subdued / less hot with the hybrids, and no significant low-end or soundstage differences between all 3 types of tips (need more time to do some serious critical listening).

---  Irrespective of tips used, the Kaedes are not as bright/harsh-sounding as I was fearing — different reasons for this (and, frankly, too lazy to go into the different variables that may account for this very pleasant surprise).

---  Very interesting IEM sonically — I really need more time to determine just how good these phones are, but I do like what I'm hearing. Not as different-sounding as I'd thought, but indeed a different beast.

---  Although Rin's FR graph for the Flat4 SUI doesn't look great, and in spite of not having heard the SUIs myself, my guess, after reading MuppetFace's SUI & KAEDE's descriptions / impressions looong ago—her impressions being some of the (very) few I trust even when we haven't always agreed on our take on a couple of IEMs—is that these two Flat4s are very close sonically (perhaps not unlike the EX600 & EX1000), so I suspect the FR graph for the Kaedes will also look, er,.. not that great. But, grumpy old sparrows have learned that although graphs provide useful information, they don't tell the whole story. **Therefore, Ety fans / lovers should never trust anything our cheerful sparrow says**

---  The Kaede may not be my favourite IEM, but I think my ears—at this stage—tell me I'll likely enjoy them more than the IE800s.

---  Isolation is surprisingly better than I expected.

---  Absolutely great to have another vented IEM (no occlusion effect /bone conduction, ears allowed to breathe!)

---  Love the cable… to bits, actually, already — without a doubt it's one of the nicest I've seen / used

---  Very glad to be able to wear these with a cable-down fit.

---  These don't exactly feel like a $900 IEMs, but build is better than I anticipated.

---  No carrying case for a $900 IEM?? No comment, really, but I think it's rather obvious what I think about that — loved the packaging, though, absolutely perfect size, and, in it's own particular way, somewhat understated (perhaps the lack of a case is not such a capital sin, after all [seriously]).

---  For reasons I won't go into here, part of me really wanted to dislike these IEMs (seriously), but currently I'm having a hard time doing so.


Edited by music_4321 - 7/3/13 at 2:28pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Ocharaku Flat-4 KAEDE (Maple)