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post #271 of 1092
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

 

As for UE tips, if I comfortably wear the orange tips from the hybrids, what would that translate into UE tips? Mediums?

 

Can't help with the size, I'm afraid, as I've only large UE tips here. My guess is medium or even small, since the large UE tips are a tad larger than the largest (blue) hybrids.

 

In any case, make sure to get the UE TripleFi 10 silicons, not the ones for the Metro Fi.

post #272 of 1092

Where can you actually get genuine UE tips (more so large for me)?
 

post #273 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Where can you actually get genuine UE tips (more so large for me)?
 

Here? http://www.logitech.com/en-us/ue/ue-earphones/accessories

 

I think the black ones are the Tf10s?

post #274 of 1092

Cool thanks for the tip :).
 

post #275 of 1092

I bought a pair of the KAEDE recently and have been just listening for enjoyment through them as I am not in the mood right now to do a "serious" comparitive review. But I have to say that I am really enjoying them and find that they seem to have that quality that they handle different styles of music all quite well.

 

Whether it's Tool at the gym, the Who on the train (the 5:15?) or Classical walking in the park, it all has been very enjoyable to listen to. At some point I'm sure I will do a more in-depth posting, but for now I can say they are one of my favorites...

 

Kevin

post #276 of 1092

The Kaede is a very good IEM, irrespective of whether it is a tad hot sounding or have mids that are too distant and so on and so on.......

 

Reason being, it sounds correct in the grand scheme of things.

 

I love my pairnormal_smile%20.gif

post #277 of 1092
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

The Kaede is a very good IEM, irrespective of whether it is a tad hot sounding or have mids that are too distant and so on and so on.......

 

Reason being, it sounds correct in the grand scheme of things.

 

I love my pairnormal_smile%20.gif

Now that I finally have my pair. I do agree with you. Everything sounds...right in place. Finally, I can have an out of head experience in an in of head monitor. 

 

I can't wait to try the UE tip combo. 

 

 

 

 

Aesthetics wise, I'm not sure if it's the monitors itself or the fact that it's used. But the paint from the tubes seems to have dripped onto part of the monitors. Either way, for a used product, I don't mind. gs1000.gif


Edited by EveTan - 4/20/13 at 11:58am
post #278 of 1092
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

I agree that fully sealed FX700s are simply too bloated in mid-bass, no doubt... <snip>

 

However, as Rin demonstrates in his analysis (on second thought #4), wearing the FX700 with a leaky seal can reduce their bass by up to -10db, which easily brings them down to the SUI's bass level, or even lower. This has been my preferred way of wearing them all along, long before Rin confirmed my subjective impression with his measurements.

 

 

This is so interesting!  I found EXACTLY the same thing.  When I demo'd them years ago, they sounded fine because the environments were fairly noisy- stores and tradeshows.  But in normal listening environments, they are definitely bass heavy for me when inserted 'normally'.  I experimented with different tips and even purchased a tiny hole punch to see if I could break the seal of the tips and tune the IEM.  I found that a hole with the size equivalent of the shaft of a pin was enough to make the bass go away completely.  It's amazing how sensitive IEMs are to the amount of seal.  Like you, what I do now is wear them slightly loose- that is, I put them in normally and then give them a slight tug and/or rotation.  Then I use a track that I am very familiar with for bass and make sure that both sides are even and correct.  It's a process that takes about 10 seconds.  And while I wish I didn't have to do that, for me it results in a sound that I really like- so much that it is my go-to IEM at the moment.  I even bought a back up pair; I like them that much!

post #279 of 1092
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

Now that I finally have my pair. I do agree with you. Everything sounds...right in place. Finally, I can have an out of head experience in an in of head monitor. 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

I can't wait to try the UE tip combo. 

 

 

 

 

Aesthetics wise, I'm not sure if it's the monitors itself or the fact that it's used. But the paint from the tubes seems to have dripped onto part of the monitors. Either way, for a used product, I don't mind. gs1000.gif

 

 

 

 

Congrats on receiving thembeerchug.gif.

post #280 of 1092
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Originally Posted by Mkubota1 View Post

This is so interesting!  I found EXACTLY the same thing.  When I demo'd them years ago, they sounded fine because the environments were fairly noisy- stores and tradeshows.  But in normal listening environments, they are definitely bass heavy for me when inserted 'normally'.  I experimented with different tips and even purchased a tiny hole punch to see if I could break the seal of the tips and tune the IEM.  I found that a hole with the size equivalent of the shaft of a pin was enough to make the bass go away completely.  It's amazing how sensitive IEMs are to the amount of seal.  Like you, what I do now is wear them slightly loose- that is, I put them in normally and then give them a slight tug and/or rotation.  Then I use a track that I am very familiar with for bass and make sure that both sides are even and correct.  It's a process that takes about 10 seconds.  And while I wish I didn't have to do that, for me it results in a sound that I really like- so much that it is my go-to IEM at the moment.  I even bought a back up pair; I like them that much!

 

Excellent! Following popular practice, we might both apply for a patent and sue each other. ksc75smile.gif

 

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Congrats on receiving thembeerchug.gif.

 

x2

post #281 of 1092

I combined two tips together. Sony hybrids/some other one. It cut down on the soundstage substantially but also make things more focused. What other options can I play with tip wise?

post #282 of 1092
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I combined two tips together. Sony hybrids/some other one. It cut down on the soundstage substantially but also make things more focused. What other options can I play with tip wise?

 

That shouldn't be the case, imo. The only things that changed for me vs. Complys was clearer bass and a smidgen more treble presence.

post #283 of 1092
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That shouldn't be the case, imo. The only things that changed for me vs. Complys was clearer bass and a smidgen more treble presence.


I did try your method james and I felt it did do something strange to the bass in particular (strange resonance). Treble presence is a little more focused but at the same time things did seem congested on certain tracks. My main issues though were in regards to the bass and mids. Things sounded off with it so I just reverted to the standard UE large tips which works best for me. Although on certain setups things can be a bit distant but synergy with the gear also plays a roll in that. It does sound like Eve may have tried the other method of putting the hybrid tip over the UE tip which resulted in losing sound staging but in return gives quite a bit more focus to the sound (which is also nice but it's always a compromise). Depending on my mood I like that particular tip combination but I think I'm most suited for just the UE tip as it doesn't block the vent at all.

post #284 of 1092
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I did try your method james and I felt it did do something strange to the bass in particular (strange resonance). Treble presence is a little more focused but at the same time things did seem congested on certain tracks. My main issues though were in regards to the bass and mids. Things sounded off with it so I just reverted to the standard UE large tips which works best for me. Although on certain setups things can be a bit distant but synergy with the gear also plays a roll in that. It does sound like Eve may have tried the other method of putting the hybrid tip over the UE tip which resulted in losing sound staging but in return gives quite a bit more focus to the sound (which is also nice but it's always a compromise). Depending on my mood I like that particular tip combination but I think I'm most suited for just the UE tip as it doesn't block the vent at all.

Would you say that the UE tips don't compromise soundstage? 

 

I'm also questioning if Ortofon tips would be worth it. (I know "worth" is subjective...but...)

post #285 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I did try your method james and I felt it did do something strange to the bass in particular (strange resonance). Treble presence is a little more focused but at the same time things did seem congested on certain tracks. My main issues though were in regards to the bass and mids. Things sounded off with it so I just reverted to the standard UE large tips which works best for me. Although on certain setups things can be a bit distant but synergy with the gear also plays a roll in that. It does sound like Eve may have tried the other method of putting the hybrid tip over the UE tip which resulted in losing sound staging but in return gives quite a bit more focus to the sound (which is also nice but it's always a compromise). Depending on my mood I like that particular tip combination but I think I'm most suited for just the UE tip as it doesn't block the vent at all.

 

Hmm, but mine is the exact same standard large UE tip and the hybrids are just for spacers. I could have cut off their flange, but it wasn't necessary. So how do you mount an UE tip without spacer and which blocked vent are you talking about?

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