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post #166 of 1068
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Listening to these babies a friends loaned my and I am doing everything I can not to call Dimitri right away to order them. I just love them. Dynamics and transparency, details, just great. A little bit thin vocals, but just slightly.

How thin is the vocal again fit ear to go 334 and Sennheiser ie 800 ?

post #167 of 1068
Not really thinner than the ie800, but slightly thinner than the 334. The 334 I think have great smooth and full vocals. The vocals on the Kaede are slightly thinner, but it goes well with the rest of the presentation.
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How thin is the vocal again fit ear to go 334 and Sennheiser ie 800 ?
post #168 of 1068

I got to listen to these again today -- I have to say I regret not jumping on a 2nd-hand unit that was offered on e-earphone -_-

 

And it was quite a bargain too...

post #169 of 1068

Haven't heard the KAEDE, but both the Flat-4 SUI and the Sennheiser IE800 sacrifice a bit of treble note weight in favor of speed and detail resolution. As a result, note weight is remarkably off between bass and treble, with mighty bass drums and almost chopstick-thin cymbals (even more pronounced on the SUI than the IE800, to these ears).

 

In fact that's probably the main reason why I wouldn't call the Flat-4 overly transparent, but on the other hand it helps to create a very special kind of presentation that's powerful, dynamic, hyper-detailed and almost fragile at the same time.

post #170 of 1068

Its seems like in IEM world we must give up something in order to gain something else. 

post #171 of 1068
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Haven't heard the KAEDE, but both the Flat-4 SUI and the Sennheiser IE800 sacrifice a bit of treble note weight in favor of speed and detail resolution. As a result, note weight is remarkably off between bass and treble, with mighty bass drums and almost chopstick-thin cymbals (even more pronounced on the SUI than the IE800, to these ears).

 

In fact that's probably the main reason why I wouldn't call the Flat-4 overly transparent, but on the other hand it helps to create a very special kind of presentation that's powerful, dynamic, hyper-detailed and almost fragile at the same time.

I think you will find the Kaede much improved over the SUI. Detail is as present and there is NO lack of treble weight. SUI grows on you, KAEDE is a growth that you can't remove. It's that addictive.

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Its seems like in IEM world we must give up something in order to gain something else. 

Yes: isolation for stage width (often), money for great sound (most times), wait times for customs (guaranteed).

post #172 of 1068
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I think you will find the Kaede much improved over the SUI. Detail is as present and there is NO lack of treble weight. SUI grows on you, KAEDE is a growth that you can't remove. It's that addictive.

Yes: isolation for stage width (often), money for great sound (most times), wait times for customs (guaranteed).

 

+1

 

At times there is too much for me on the Kaede.

post #173 of 1068

Too much for you? Dear me... 

 

I think it is on the bright side of the fence, though, not on the etchy side, which is nice. I've yet to find an earphone that I like universally for all music, or one that doesn't slightly annoy me on some level. The KAEDE was good for over 80% of my music, which is in the top 5% of the earphones I own/or have owned (and that is an embarrassing lot). 

 

As Mr. Gavin knows, my walk-around everyday earphone is none other than the Grado GR8, an earphone with a bit less shine in the treble than the KAEDE. 

post #174 of 1068

Let's not confuse treble weight (aka treble presence or brightness) with treble note weight. I agree that there's no lack of treble presence on the Flat-4, however I was talking about note weight. Please take a few minutes to read my explanation below and listen to the test track. It's taken from my IE800 impressions, but pretty much the same can be said for the Flat-4's treble (at least for the SUI).

 

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I give you an example: listen to this track from about 03:00 to 04:00. There's the vibes on the left, Dave on bass in the middle and the drummer at the right. I believe he's mainly working the hi-hat, so that may not be ideal, but still good enough to illustrate what I mean. I've seen Dave Holland live a few times and he usually stands a few steps back and leaves the center stage to his soloists.

 

Anyway, listening to this piece with the IE800, Dave sounds as if he's playing totally front/center, cause bass is noticeably enhanced. The vibes on the left sound about right and very natural (the Senn's mids are really marvellous). However, the drummer on the right sounds almost as if he's using pencils instead of drum sticks, cause treble is rather thinnish and light. It's hard to describe sound impressions half-decently, but I hope you get the picture.

 

post #175 of 1068
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Let's not confuse treble weight (aka treble presence or brightness) with treble note weight. I agree that there's no lack of treble presence on the Flat-4, however I was talking about note weight. Please take a few minutes to read my explanation below and listen to the test track. It's taken from my IE800 impressions, but pretty much the same can be said for the Flat-4's treble (at least for the SUI).
Have you considered the fact that the guy might actually be using pencils or even spaghetti ?
post #176 of 1068

They look fragile and no strain relief. I want to take the plunge but they look so damn flimsy.
 

post #177 of 1068
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Have you considered the fact that the guy might actually be using pencils or even spaghetti ?

 

Are you, by any chance, a lawyer? wink.gif

post #178 of 1068
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Not really thinner than the ie800, but slightly thinner than the 334. The 334 I think have great smooth and full vocals. The vocals on the Kaede are slightly thinner, but it goes well with the rest of the presentation.

 

The 334s vocals are also more upfront as well as thicker. More intimate. At least comparing it to the Sui the Sui is a more distant and spacious (airy) presentation. Different strokes for different folks :).

post #179 of 1068
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Too much for you? Dear me... 

 

I think it is on the bright side of the fence, though, not on the etchy side, which is nice. I've yet to find an earphone that I like universally for all music, or one that doesn't slightly annoy me on some level. The KAEDE was good for over 80% of my music, which is in the top 5% of the earphones I own/or have owned (and that is an embarrassing lot). 

 

As Mr. Gavin knows, my walk-around everyday earphone is none other than the Grado GR8, an earphone with a bit less shine in the treble than the KAEDE. 


I'm actually using the Sui for everyday usage. The fact that is has poor isolation is ideal. Plus its fun an engaging which does help to notice the music when out an about :). I really need to look into that square trade warranty thing though I'd like to keep them for at least 3 years :P.

post #180 of 1068
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

The 334s vocals are also more upfront as well as thicker. More intimate. At least comparing it to the Sui the Sui is a more distant and spacious (airy) presentation. Different strokes for different folks :).

 

For me, the 334s (and FitEar in general) have the best vocals in IEMs, hands down... The KAEDE is crazy detailed but very lush but I get annoyed by some of the treble spikes :)

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