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post #931 of 1854
Anyway the main difference is only that the HD is a standalone DAC and the HP is a DAC/Headphone amp. The HP miss the RCA analog output of the HD and replace it with an headphone out. You can use the HP directly with an headphone but not as a DAC connected to other components. On the other side, the HP can't work as a standalone DAC.
post #932 of 1854
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Originally Posted by Xelor View Post

Anyway the main difference is only that the HD is a standalone DAC and the HP is a DAC/Headphone amp. The HP miss the RCA analog output of the HD and replace it with an headphone out. You can use the HP directly with an headphone but not as a DAC connected to other components. On the other side, the HP can't work as a standalone DAC.

 

Thanks!

post #933 of 1854
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Seriously, I thought you pointed out the differences exactly the way they are.

 

Meremoth woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. People are trying to help you dude, you shouldn't snap at them for doing so.

 

Sorry, I don't have the patience for passive-aggressive comments such as, "Not sure why you couldn't determine this based on the site but:"

 

What's the point of him even saying that if it wasn't to shame me in some way?  I said in the post before his that I didn't know how to interpret the information on the site, he read that, and decided to make that comment anyway.  That basically taints his "help".  I don't need that kind of help.  

 

BTW, the forum has a multi quote option and/or edit in case you're wondering.  Or maybe you're just that enthused about telling me that I'm being helped, twice in a row...

 

Anywoot, back to my ignorance:

 

Is the Concero HP considered completely neutral and transparent, or does it color the sound in anyway?  I've read that the regular Concero is pretty much neutral, but I don't know if the HP keeps that neutrality with the addition of the amp part, not too mention the HP/HD is using a different chip then the regular Concero, if I'm not mistaken.

 

Is there a way to just read the measurements listed on the site to determine its neutrality?  If there is, then I'll learn how to interpret that information so I don't have to deal with people like Sneis.  If there isn't, then I guess all I have are my stupid questions.


Edited by Meremoth - 7/29/13 at 10:30am
post #934 of 1854

Not too many people have heard the Concero HP yet. There is one brief description earlier in this thread though I believe.  As far as measurements, almost all DAC's measure near dead flat top to bottom, so there isn't a measurement for "neutral" and definitely no measurement for transparency. 

post #935 of 1854
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Originally Posted by M3NTAL View Post

Not too many people have heard the Concero HP yet. There is one brief description earlier in this thread though I believe.  As far as measurements, almost all DAC's measure near dead flat top to bottom, so there isn't a measurement for "neutral" and definitely no measurement for transparency. 

 

Thanks for the response.  

 

I assume the HP will keep the same house signature of the original, which I read way back in this thread is pretty neutral.  

 

I suppose I'll just have to wait for more reviews. 

 

Thanks again.  

post #936 of 1854
I can say it sound very balanced, not bright, not too warm, not too cold. If that could be "neutral", yes it can be.

What impress me is how fine it drive the HD800, and how well it can reproduce bass, instrument separation and soundstage. As I said before, I'm not missing my Naim DAC V1 home rig that I love very much.

Since I have also an Audiolab M-DAC, I can say that the Concero HP win over it driving the HD800, I prefer its lush presentation. About the Naim, I still have to make an A/B test.

I've tested briefly the Concero HP also with my AKG K3003i and I could say is a very very good match.

Now I would try the Invicta. I think Resonessence people are very competent in DAC if something as little as the Concero (and USB powered) can do well like this. It works like a magic! (cit.)
Edited by Xelor - 7/29/13 at 12:45pm
post #937 of 1854
I think my favourite word for the HP is analogue. Maybe cliche but the HP just seems to sound more analogue than its direct competition. Also the same with the invicta units. They do wonders with digits. :-) completely agree with the composure of a set off HD800s makes T1s sound lush too.
Edited by PhilW - 7/29/13 at 2:01pm
post #938 of 1854

Man, I so wish they had been able to have a fixed line out as well as the HP so I could connect some desktop speakers.  I am going to be living very lean and mobile for the next several years and want to sell everything I have but a pair of IEMs, my HD800s and a very compact all-in-one that can do them justice (in addition to outputting to some small powered speakers).  

post #939 of 1854
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Man, I so wish they had been able to have a fixed line out as well as the HP so I could connect some desktop speakers.  I am going to be living very lean and mobile for the next several years and want to sell everything I have but a pair of IEMs, my HD800s and a very compact all-in-one that can do them justice (in addition to outputting to some small powered speakers).  


Why not get the Concero HP and a set of active speakers that bring their own DAC, like the KEF or Vanatoo?

post #940 of 1854
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Why not get the Concero HP and a set of active speakers that bring their own DAC, like the KEF or Vanatoo?

I don't need or expect the highest fidelity from my desktop speakers so the Audioengine A5s that I currently have do me just fine.  I would like to have a single device that can manage the switching as opposed to going into sound settings and switching in windows.  Really what I have been dreaming of is a higher quality Nuforce HDP.  That thing was a killer combo and value in a small, sleek enclosure.  I probably want something that simply can't exist so I am still figuring out the compromises that I am willing to make.

post #941 of 1854
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post

Man, I so wish they had been able to have a fixed line out as well as the HP so I could connect some desktop speakers.  I am going to be living very lean and mobile for the next several years and want to sell everything I have but a pair of IEMs, my HD800s and a very compact all-in-one that can do them justice (in addition to outputting to some small powered speakers).  


That's ultimately what I was hoping the hp would be too, but alas it isn't.

 

I use the Concero with my Vanatoo One's but the spdif input on the Vanatoo's only takes up to 96, so when the filters are engaged it does not work at all. I love the filters so I am using the analog output on the Concero to feed the analog input on the Vanatoos and the filters are always on. It is a really nice combo ! Then when I want to use headphones I just switch the rca's over to my headphone amp. Not really a big deal at all, no switching anything within windows just a cable swap.

 

I am really loving it !

post #942 of 1854

Guys, I have deleted a number of argumentative and off-topic posts. Please consider not posting if you don't have anything constructive to add that is on-topic. People come to the thread to read about the Concero, not arguments about whose post was most or least helpful. Thanks. 

 

Also, you don't need to reply to this post, just continue on discussing the Concero. smile.gif

post #943 of 1854

Had a question for Project86. I recently read your review of the Yulong DA8. It was a great review btw.

 

Anyway, Out of the three: Anedio D2, X-Sabre, Yulong DA8, which is the most like the Concero?

 

I'm asking because I'm wondering what the next natural progression would be if I love the Concero sound. My gut feeling from reading your reviews is that it might be the Anedio D2, but not sure now after reading your DA8 review.

post #944 of 1854

X-Sabre is the most similar. So similar, in fact, that I'm not sure it would represent enough "progression" to justify the cost to do so.

 

If you're jumping from the Concero to an appreciable tier above it, I'd be prepared to spend $1500-ish or more. 

post #945 of 1854
Thread Starter 

Good question. In some ways each of those units sounds a bit like the Concero.... depends on what area you want to upgrade.

 

As Mr. Dangerous noted, the X-Sabre does in fact sound an awful lot like the Concero. The difference is not massive at all, so unless you need the extra features like balanced output or DSD, it's kind of hard to justify the Matrix as an upgrade. It does sound better, but not by a huge amount.

 

Anedio D2 takes the Concero sound and adds layers of depth, larger soundstage, more precise imaging, as well as improved detail. But it's not the exact same sound signature, and some may find it a bit clinical depending on the setup. If using a brighter amp and maybe a K701, I'd rather have the Concero in the system. So it depends.

 

Yulong DA8 is somewhat similar to the Concero but with more advanced abilities. It's kind of midway between the X-Sabre/Concero sound and the more technical Anedio sound. For those who love Concero but want more resolution as well as features, DA8 might be the way to go. 

 

I'll admit - comparisons with Concero are difficult, because the little bugger sounds so good for the size and price. It's not so easy to get a big upgrade!

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