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post #901 of 1841
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Agreed, I have lots of love for the little Zdac. It's kind of a warm, relaxed sound, very easy on the ears but not overly syrupy. Very complementary of whatever gear it pairs with. Not as neutral or resolving as Concero, but perhaps more enjoyable for certain ears or systems.
post #902 of 1841
I've been following this thread for a long time, but I've been researching so many DACs lately, that I can't answer this question: Does the Concero offer any filter options that allow you to modify the sound? And overall, would everyone agree it's neutral? (I'd prefer neutral or warm vs. bright.)

Thanks!

Mike
post #903 of 1841
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

I've been following this thread for a long time, but I've been researching so many DACs lately, that I can't answer this question: Does the Concero offer any filter options that allow you to modify the sound? And overall, would everyone agree it's neutral? (I'd prefer neutral or warm vs. bright.)

Thanks!

Mike

 

Yes it offers two fillters plus the non filtered option. I wouldnt call it bright by any means.
Edited by Townyj - 7/26/13 at 8:21am
post #904 of 1841
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

I've been following this thread for a long time, but I've been researching so many DACs lately, that I can't answer this question: Does the Concero offer any filter options that allow you to modify the sound? And overall, would everyone agree it's neutral? (I'd prefer neutral or warm vs. bright.)

Thanks!

Mike

 

Yep. I'd put it in the neutral camp. 

post #905 of 1841
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

I've been following this thread for a long time, but I've been researching so many DACs lately, that I can't answer this question: Does the Concero offer any filter options that allow you to modify the sound? And overall, would everyone agree it's neutral? (I'd prefer neutral or warm vs. bright.)

Thanks!

Mike

 

Yes - two filter choices (which also include upsampling) or leave it alone with the default filter and no upsampling. And I'd call it pretty neutral overall. 

post #906 of 1841

+1 for neutral. Although I have to say that I didn't even know that I would like neutral until I got the Concero. While deciding on a DAC, I also tried the Ifi iDAC and the Lindemann DAC but with the Concero, instruments just sounded more... real.

 

I do think it should be mentioned that the differences between the filters will not necessarily be hugely obvious to everyone. I think a few others in the thread have mentioned that and it's the same for me except for particular tracks.

post #907 of 1841
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Originally Posted by DTKZ View Post

+1 for neutral. Although I have to say that I didn't even know that I would like neutral until I got the Concero. While deciding on a DAC, I also tried the Ifi iDAC and the Lindemann DAC but with the Concero, instruments just sounded more... real.

 

I do think it should be mentioned that the differences between the filters will not necessarily be hugely obvious to everyone. I think a few others in the thread have mentioned that and it's the same for me except for particular tracks.

 

I was having trouble hearing the difference, but then i was flicking between tracks back and forth. Pretty sure i prefer the apodizing filter, the bass seems to be a little bloated on the IIR for me in my system. Still sounds awesome, but it doesnt seem as controlled.
post #908 of 1841

Okay on the Zdac, one more off the list. I was wondering about the Uber Bifrost, but maybe I should cut to the chase and just ask. Are there any dacs in the same price range ($500-$600) that do compete, I am particularly interested in one with a built in headphone amp, but not REAL dead set on that. I do have a couple good amps already on hand. Maybe the Yulong MkII . I am drawing a blank on comparable dacs in this price range.

post #909 of 1841
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

Okay on the Zdac, one more off the list. I was wondering about the Uber Bifrost, but maybe I should cut to the chase and just ask. Are there any dacs in the same price range ($500-$600) that do compete, I am particularly interested in one with a built in headphone amp, but not REAL dead set on that. I do have a couple good amps already on hand. Maybe the Yulong MkII . I am drawing a blank on comparable dacs in this price range.


I was in the same boat as you, I originally intended on getting a dac/headphone amp combo and was really going to go for the Concero HP.

I couldn't pass up the little Concero though it was just too good. So I re-calibrated my plans and after alot of research I picked up a lightly used Rhinelander for a really good price and could not be happier with the pair.

 

RE the zDac I guess I am in the minority, I really thought it was syrupy and overly warm for my liking.

post #910 of 1841

Concero is utterly neutral for me. 2 Filters as you know. More info on Resonessence website. Good info too, you should read it.

post #911 of 1841
Originally Posted by Townyj View PostPretty sure i prefer the apodizing filter

Me too. Apodizing FTW!

post #912 of 1841

Just got my replacement in, thankfully a great unit with no imperfections!

 

Found my old Apple remote and I agree on the Apodizing filter being the best of the bunch; the IIR filter adds a little bit of treble bite which is not unpleasant actually - I wouldn't say that is a bad thing but I still like the roundness of the Apodizing filter.

 

Feeding into a Parasound D/AC-2000 and a/b-ing both doing my best to level match, I find that the Para has a smidgen more detail and larger presence to the sound.  The Concero as a dac-only is by no means thin sounding but in comparison to the Parasound it falters a teeny bit here.  It truly is vey close, not even a stone's throw away.  The Concero has an amazing noise floor and has a noticeably blacker background than the Parasound, I found the same to be true with the Stello DA 100 signature not surprisingly.  It must be whatever Resonessence did with their power section/filtration is amazing; bear in mind I'm using a freebie printer usb cable with no extra usb power cleaning devices like iUSB with a Macbook plugged into the AC adapter.

 

Now the bad: feeding into the old Parasound I also cannot seem to use the filters which is a small bummer, only stock setting will output sound.  This is likely because the DAC handles at max 48khz.  Maybe I can downsample somehow in software?

 

The remote also works seemingly sporadically, not sure what the deal is here.  The Concero registers the button press but it doesn't skip songs or pause half the time when I am in Audirvana.

 

The Concero being a device that you can simply just listen to and enjoy even if it isn't the best seems to absolutely be my experience as well.  Wins a "not crap" award from me ;)

post #913 of 1841
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 Wins a "not crap" award from me ;)

Wow, how prestigious. I'm sure Mark is thrilled about it. very_evil_smiley.gif

post #914 of 1841

Well Fwiw.  That could also be seen as pretty dang good by other standards!

post #915 of 1841
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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post

Well Fwiw.  That could also be seen as pretty dang good by other standards!

 

McDonald's food comes to mind. Although it doesn't qualify IMO. 

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