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post #421 of 648
3/20/13 at 8:10am
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It's a tricky situation for them - do they sit on a product if they have it all ready to go - simply because some existing customers might feel slighted? Or do they launch it anyway? Does an existing Concero sound any worse once a new Concero DSD is launched? What is the necessary price difference for the new model compared to the original, where people won't feel bad about it? $200? $300? $600? At some point if the new one costs enough, I think people will consider it a different product all together and won't feel like their Concero is obsolete. But if the price is closer then they might. So - does Resonessence price the new one deliberately higher to appease current owners? Or price it aggressively low to appease new customers? 


Edited by project86 - 3/20/13 at 8:13am
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post #422 of 648
3/20/13 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by DTKZ View Post

Anyway, to keep this relevant to the thread; if the Concero DSD is 32 bit, that would mean it's not using the Sabre ES9023, wouldn't it? In which case, there would probably be some sonic differences aside from those that arise from 24 vs 32 bit and DSD vs non-DSD?

I believe the only 32 bit sabre chips are the 9012, 9016, and 9018
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post #423 of 648
3/20/13 at 8:40am

I am probably more excited about the Sabre 32 upgrade than the DSD, although more future-proofing is always welcome.  I like everything I have read about the Concero, but since it shares the same core chipset as my $99 ODAC, it was hard convince myself that it was $500 better.  I know implementation is everything and that Resonessence has engineers who helped develop some of the Sabre chips, but there was still a gap between id and ego.  If the upgrade isn't too much more, then the Sabre 32 upgrade will close that gap and I will be able to rest easy, as it were.  Knowing that there is a "better" chip makes me think that both the floor and ceiling for the sound that I am getting are higher.

 

Silly, but real.

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post #424 of 648
3/20/13 at 8:53am

Yea, chip doesn't mean anything. Especially the sabre in my limited experience. The ODAC sounds bad to me; so is the W4S Dac2. However I liked the Calyx and Concero. Still wondering if I should home demo the Invicta or not.

 

Regarding pricing, I think Resonessence could do something similar to Metrum: sell the Concero non-DSD at $400-500 (ala special offer) till they run out of stock; and sell the new DSD Concero at $600


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post #425 of 648
3/20/13 at 9:02am

And if you decide to upgrade, what do they do with the insides? Can you take them apart and reuse the pieces?

I bet a higher end chip would sound better, especially with Resonessence developing it.

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post #426 of 648
3/20/13 at 9:25am

I think there's a good chance they use the 9018 since they have done so much development on it for the Invicta there are things they can carry over to save time and money on R&D.

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post #427 of 648
3/20/13 at 9:46am
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Yea, chip doesn't mean anything. Especially the sabre in my limited experience. The ODAC sounds bad to me; so is the W4S Dac2. However I liked the Calyx and Concero. Still wondering if I should home demo the Invicta or not.

 

Regarding pricing, I think Resonessence could do something similar to Metrum: sell the Concero non-DSD at $400-500 (ala special offer) till they run out of stock; and sell the new DSD Concero at $600

 

I'd imagine the new model has to be at least somewhat more expensive. They are using a higher end/more expensive DAC chip as well as some other improvements. So we'll have to see if they decide to keep both as concurrent models. I would think there's still a market for the original - some people just don't care about DSD, and the ES9023 still sounds bloody good in this implementation. 

 

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And if you decide to upgrade, what do they do with the insides? Can you take them apart and reuse the pieces?

I bet a higher end chip would sound better, especially with Resonessence developing it.

 

Good question. That's something they will need to figure out. Surely the enclosure is one of the more expensive individual pieces so that would be nice, though it assumes all jacks line up in the same exact places. 

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post #428 of 648
3/20/13 at 11:35am

That would be a good idea. They could have a base model being the current Concero and an option for an upgrade to the DSD capable and the higher capable DAC at an additional cost. I don't know how many people have a need for DSD and if they have any need for 32bit. I know I don't need them and would definitely benefit from some savings.

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post #429 of 648
3/20/13 at 9:58pm
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It uses galvanic isolation between the digital and analog sections of the board, not between the computer (USB) and the digital section. This arrangement actually makes a lot of sense. You can see the PE65812NL pulse transformer on the board in various pictures that are floating around online.

 
Try an iFi iUSB maybe? There's some double headed USB cable they're selling for it too.
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post #430 of 648
3/22/13 at 5:31pm
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Regarding pricing, I think Resonessence could do something similar to Metrum: sell the Concero non-DSD at $400-500 (ala special offer) till they run out of stock; and sell the new DSD Concero at $600

 

I think this is a great idea. I was held back a bit from ordering the original Concero because if figured if I was going to go into the $500-$1000 price range, I'd like to get some DSD support as well. I didn't mind sacrificing a bit of sound quality by getting a DAC in a lower price range to save a couple hundred. However, if the Concero now also included DSD support in addition to the boost in sound, the extra cost would be much easier to justify in my head.

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post #431 of 648
3/22/13 at 8:46pm
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Well, we should have some official new coming up this weekend since Resonessence is at the big show in Canada. I think you guys will be pleased with what they have on deck. 

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post #432 of 648
3/22/13 at 9:01pm

I'm assuming that's the Montreal Hi-Fi Show, correct? Will Tyll or anybody we know be covering it, by any chance? 

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post #433 of 648
3/23/13 at 5:14am
I went there yesterday and asked to listen to the Concero. They told me that they were busy and asked me to come back on Sat/Sun.
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post #434 of 648
3/23/13 at 7:40am
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I'm assuming that's the Montreal Hi-Fi Show, correct? Will Tyll or anybody we know be covering it, by any chance? 

 

Tyll definitely isn't there, but check Stereophile for some coverage. Looks like Art Dudley and Robert Deutsch are there. 

 

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I went there yesterday and asked to listen to the Concero. They told me that they were busy and asked me to come back on Sat/Sun.

 

Did the show (proper) actually start yesterday? I had thought Friday was more of a "preview" day and the real deal didn't kick off until Saturday. But maybe I'm wrong. Hopefully we get some impressions going over this weekend. 

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post #435 of 648
3/23/13 at 8:35am

Went to listen to my purchase to my friend, as my amp has not arrived yet. The equipment is designed correctly, the driver stood up as it should, tormented 2-3 hours but could not get it to play.frown.gif All players gives the same error related to "message buffer"

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