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post #361 of 1861
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Originally Posted by Nick Dangerous View Post

 

Hm? Loads of gain with my CSP+. Volume not quite at 9 o'clock.

 

I definitely prefer having a "strong" signal coming into the amp, to not have to amplify the signal much (added distortion, possible clipping)... And 2vrms is a standard, there are plenty of DACs that have no problem with it (even portable, like ODAC) so I definitely don't understand why Resonessence didn't accomplish it with Concero.

 

That said, I forgot to add that I wanted to buy the Concero only if they release a version with native DSD support... smily_headphones1.gif

post #362 of 1861
Yeah, it's strange that my Woo Audio WA22 struggled with my CLAS-db. I was feeding it balanced from a 4-pin RSA style connector to two 3-pin XLRs. However, the CLAS-db doesn't have a higher output voltage for balanced like normal, it's the same 1.2v as SE. I also don't want to exaggerate it. My WA22 still drives it clean a little below my preferred volume for listening, it' only starts distorting just before my normal listening levels. However I am stickler for no noise and blackness of background. Also, I don't listen normally at really loud volumes. For example, with the D18 I would listen on low gain between 9-10am. With the CLAS-db, the same volume is more like 3pm on the dial. All that being said, I still love the WA22 as an amp.
post #363 of 1861
Thanks for the additional impressions. That's interesting. The only other comments I have read on it online are a few that it sounds like the benchmark dac1 - nice resolution and detail but with a cold or analytical feel. There is only one 3star review on amazon saying just that.

It makes me wonder if people can't look past the chipsets and instantly assume it must sound just like the benchmark due to using the same DAC chip. I have definitely agreed with all of your reviews so far. Especially the D18, that was exactly as you described it. One last question if you don't mind, would you say it's closer to Yulong D100 or D18 levels of SQ? Sorry, there just isn't a good thread on it yet.
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Yep, that's pretty much it. Zdac is surprisingly warm - I heard "AD1853 + AD1895" and assumed it might be analytical and bright. But of course, implementation is everything and in this case it adds up to a rather smooth, warm sound that remains detailed and still has good top end extension.
post #364 of 1861
I totally agree with you. Output voltage is never something I had looked for in previous purchases. However after this last round it has reinforced the importance to me and I am definitely taking it into consideration going forward.
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I definitely prefer having a "strong" signal coming into the amp, to not have to amplify the signal much (added distortion, possible clipping)... And 2vrms is a standard, there are plenty of DACs that have no problem with it (even portable, like ODAC) so I definitely don't understand why Resonessence didn't accomplish it with Concero.

That said, I forgot to add that I wanted to buy the Concero only if they release a version with native DSD support... smily_headphones1.gif
post #365 of 1861

Strong =/= output voltage. And like I said, if your amp clipped - it's time to get a new one. The majority of the time it's the amp that cannot handle the high voltage output of the Dac not the other way around. I've had the case of a Fiio e9 clipping with my "standard" RCA output; fortunately my old dac got a switch between 2.5 vs 1.25v output.

 

Regarding the Wa22, it needs a standard XLR signal. It's just how the amp is designed - not telling you to buy a new amp in this case wink.gif

 

FYI, I'm having both the Concero and the Metrum Octave (standard voltage RCA). Both have no problem feeding an amp driving a He-6. And the difference between volume is like ~1/2 hour on the volume knob. I think the Concero is pretty good bang for bucks, and it's a pity to dismiss it just because of the silly voltage biggrin.gif


Edited by khaine1711 - 3/14/13 at 8:59am
post #366 of 1861
I appreciate your clarifications. Any idea if the Woo WA6SE has the same design limitation? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Strong =/= output voltage. And like I said, if your amp clipped - it's time to get a new one. The majority of the time it's the amp that cannot handle the high voltage output of the Dac not the other way around. I've had the case of a Fiio e9 clipping with my "standard" RCA output; fortunately my old dac got a switch between 2.5 vs 1.25v output.

Regarding the Wa22, it needs a standard XLR signal. It's just how the amp is designed - not telling you to buy a new amp in this case wink.gif

FYI, I'm having both the Concero and the Metrum Octave (standard voltage RCA). Both have no problem feeding an amp driving a He-6. And the difference between volume is like ~1/2 hour on the volume knob. I think the Concero is pretty good bang for bucks, and it's a pity to dismiss it just because of the silly voltage biggrin.gif
post #367 of 1861

The 6SE is your typical transformer coupled amp - whatever you feed it will work. Whether you like its sound or not is another matter though.

post #368 of 1861
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

Concero has only 1.2vrms output? =/ And I thought I would buy it... Grrr!

 

Oh well, let's focus on Teac UD-501 then.

 

From twitter 3 hours ago:

 

Re Concero output voltage: it's lower on purpose so that you get 0.8v of analog headroom and 1.2v signal. This lets it have better SQ IMO

post #369 of 1861
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Originally Posted by Utopia View Post

 

From twitter 3 hours ago:

 

Re Concero output voltage: it's lower on purpose so that you get 0.8v of analog headroom and 1.2v signal. This lets it have better SQ IMO

 

Thanks :-)

 

Any news on native DSD support?

post #370 of 1861
Already was posted there is not enough room to program DSD function. It will not happen with the Concero.
post #371 of 1861
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Already was posted there is not enough room to program DSD function. It will not happen with the Concero.

 

I see, sorry for asking again... Thanks!

post #372 of 1861
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Yep, that's pretty much it. Zdac is surprisingly warm - I heard "AD1853 + AD1895" and assumed it might be analytical and bright. But of course, implementation is everything and in this case it adds up to a rather smooth, warm sound that remains detailed and still has good top end extension.

This makes the zdac sound dangerously close to what I imagine the D18 to sound like. Any comments on how those 2 compare sonically?
post #373 of 1861

Anyone going to Salon Son et Image in Montreal and can report on the new Resonessence toys that are supposed to be introduced there?

post #374 of 1861
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Originally Posted by EraserXIV View Post


This makes the zdac sound dangerously close to what I imagine the D18 to sound like. Any comments on how those 2 compare sonically?

 

I'd say the D18 is slightly more resolving, has deeper bass extension, and particularly has a more expansive soundstage. The Zdac is closer to the D100 MkII in terms of ability, even if it's closer to the D18 in sound signature. If you're familiar with my views on the D100 MkII then you know how much of a compliment that really is. Plus the Zdac has better USB capabilities and a nice amp as well. 

 

But you'll hear more about it when my InnerFidelity post goes live, probably this weekend or so. 

post #375 of 1861

Concerning output voltage, when switching between Concero and Hilo running balanced +4dBV into BHA-1 I need to turn the volume ~1 hour or so. But of course BHA-1 is SE inside.

Soundwise Concero is not in the same league as Hilo, of course. It's like having dust and a lot of some finger prints on your camera lens...


Edited by CanDude - 3/14/13 at 7:55pm
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