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post #346 of 1874
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

only if someone trades the invicta for the Hilo smily_headphones1.gif

however at the price point the concero is quite competitive since it's surprisingly good

 

Have you compared Invicta and Hilo side-by-side? Or is it just that it has to be better because it costs more? devil_face.gif  (which isn't true of course, Hilo is better = more transparent than Antelope gold, that is more expensive...)

Invicta is the only DAC I'd be interested in (if I could afford it), otherwise Hilo is the end of the road for me for a while. Waiting for HPA-21 now...

post #347 of 1874

There are a few dacs I have a genuine interest in (meaning I would pick it up if I liked it enough rather than just to try it). The Hilo is not one of them. Actually I'm fairly happy with where I'm at now. I haven't heard a dac that was worth the upgrade over my D1 or at least worth it to me. A couple grand in price difference is not justified with a 1-2% increase from what I've heard so far when I have tried more expensive dacs.

post #348 of 1874
Thanks for the great thread everyone. It was very enlightening. The price to performance levels that are starting to be obtained are really exciting.

I ran into an issue recently that it sounds like the Concero would also suffer from on my rig. I purchased a CLAS-db, which has been fantastic as a portable solution and as a computer usb dac with my portable amp Apex Glacier. However, when I tried using it as a dedicated DAC with my Woo Audio WA22 the lower output voltage posed problems. The output was too low and I would have to turn my WA22 volume knobs past levels where distortion becomes an issue. It looks like the Concero has the same lower output voltage. Just a heads up to anyone who might have plans to use it with a large tube amp like mine that it could be an issue. Does anyone know if this would only apply to certain tube amps? It doesn't seem like anyone here has had the issue.

One question, it doesn't sound like the Concero benefits much from a USB to SPDIF converter between the PC and itself as a DAC. Did I get the right impression or is that not the case?
post #349 of 1874
Also, I am stunned at the performance levels being reported here when the DAC is powered by USB power. Has anyone received more information on how this is achieved? Coming from an Audiophilleo and PurePower, I know how much havoc USB power typically causes audio.
post #350 of 1874

From what I've read, the Concero itself IS a high quality USB-to-SPDIF converter.. biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Sid-Fi View Post


One question, it doesn't sound like the Concero benefits much from a USB to SPDIF converter between the PC and itself as a DAC. Did I get the right impression or is that not the case?
post #351 of 1874

My understanding is that the Concero was built up around the USB input using its FPGA whereas other DACs tend to have USB inputs thrown in as an afterthought.

 

Its FPGA essentially allows it to be a top notch SPDIF interface with a built in DAC. (Or it could be a DAC with a built in top notch SPDIF interface, however you want to look at it)


Edited by EraserXIV - 3/13/13 at 10:07pm
post #352 of 1874
Nice. Thanks for the answers.
post #353 of 1874
Project86, would you mind sharing a brief hint as to the Zdac's sound signature? I am curious if it is closer to the D18s warmth (which i loved when i owned it) or the Conceros more neutral approach. I see that it has 4.2v ouput in balanced which would clearly relieve the concern with pairing it with my WA22 compared to the 1.2v of the Concero.
post #354 of 1874
1.2V is low but not too low. The standard unbalanced output is 2V. Most portable players are below 1V.
post #355 of 1874
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Originally Posted by Sid-Fi View Post

Project86, would you mind sharing a brief hint as to the Zdac's sound signature? I am curious if it is closer to the D18s warmth (which i loved when i owned it) or the Conceros more neutral approach. I see that it has 4.2v ouput in balanced which would clearly relieve the concern with pairing it with my WA22 compared to the 1.2v of the Concero.

Not sure if his thoughts have changed but here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/634760/resonessence-labs-concero-discussion-review-thead/255#post_9229127

post #356 of 1874
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Yep, that's pretty much it. Zdac is surprisingly warm - I heard "AD1853 + AD1895" and assumed it might be analytical and bright. But of course, implementation is everything and in this case it adds up to a rather smooth, warm sound that remains detailed and still has good top end extension.
post #357 of 1874

Concero has only 1.2vrms output? =/ And I thought I would buy it... Grrr!

 

Oh well, let's focus on Teac UD-501 then.

post #358 of 1874

Ok, just received the little Concero...what a beautiful object!

 

Initial impression compared to the Matrix Quattro DAC...Concero as a DAC is in another league altogether...

post #359 of 1874
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Originally Posted by Sid-Fi View Post

Thanks for the great thread everyone. It was very enlightening. The price to performance levels that are starting to be obtained are really exciting.

I ran into an issue recently that it sounds like the Concero would also suffer from on my rig. I purchased a CLAS-db, which has been fantastic as a portable solution and as a computer usb dac with my portable amp Apex Glacier. However, when I tried using it as a dedicated DAC with my Woo Audio WA22 the lower output voltage posed problems. The output was too low and I would have to turn my WA22 volume knobs past levels where distortion becomes an issue. It looks like the Concero has the same lower output voltage. Just a heads up to anyone who might have plans to use it with a large tube amp like mine that it could be an issue. Does anyone know if this would only apply to certain tube amps? It doesn't seem like anyone here has had the issue.

One question, it doesn't sound like the Concero benefits much from a USB to SPDIF converter between the PC and itself as a DAC. Did I get the right impression or is that not the case?


I think the issue partly lies in your WA22. Due to how the WA22 (push pull with no phase splitter) is designed, if you feed the Wa22 with SE signal, you'll only use half the amp - half the power. Similar to audio-gd balanced amp, the single-ended input sound anemic (read:crap). In short, you need to use a balance signal with the WA22.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

Concero has only 1.2vrms output? =/ And I thought I would buy it... Grrr!

 

Oh well, let's focus on Teac UD-501 then.

Output voltage isn't THAT important with a dedicated DAC (and a headphone system). Unless your amp is struggling/clipping with the headphone - in which case you should probably get a new amp anyway.


Edited by khaine1711 - 3/14/13 at 6:19am
post #360 of 1874
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

Concero has only 1.2vrms output? =/ And I thought I would buy it... Grrr!

 

Oh well, let's focus on Teac UD-501 then.

 

Hm? Loads of gain with my CSP+. Volume not quite at 9 o'clock.

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