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post #1726 of 2247
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

 

The Concero and KEF LS50s are a good pairing. I drive my Concero of my Macbook Pro and don't feel it needs a battery setup, but with the SBT I think it would a great addition. The LS50s are very detailed speakers and demand a good source. Mine have made me neglect my headphone setup lately as they sound fantastic! A valve amp might add a bit of extra warmth to the LS50s which could be very welcome. Enjoy!

 

You know...the LS-50s are the damnedest speakers. When I bought them...I had a Rega Brio-R in my Office rig; an amp I really liked, had paired well with other speakers there...and I thought would match quite nicely with the LS-50s. It was "fine"...but I got the impression, the LS-50s were capable of more. I read a review, where the writer really liked them...with a W4S mINT. It stood to reason; the LS-50s are very inefficient...85db. So...more power to muscle them around, made sense. Plus, I liked the idea of the all-in-one...for the Office rig (whereas I would never give up my standalone DAC, in the Main system...lol).

 

I was going to pull the trigger on a mINT...when I came across a Hegel H-70, on the used market. I'd always been curious about Hegel...so I bit. I liked it better than the Brio-R, and so much so...that I turned right around, and bought its successor, the H-80 almost immediately. So I'm humming along...enjoying my H-80 and LS-50 combo, very much; when I decide it's time...to let a very nice, little IA go.

 

I got the Cayin M-6, when I decided to go "small" for a while. I had Rega RS-1s...and they seemed to need next to nothing to drive them; so the M-6 was as close as I was comfortable...trying a small-watt tube set-up (not quite a SET; but the M-6 is rated at 10wpc, using (4) 6V6 in an AB1 circuit). As it had been setting on the sidelines for a while...I decided to set her free, and let her go to a good home. I needed to get some pics...for the ad; and usually, when I'm selling a piece...I hook it up, make sure everything is in good working order...give it one last listen, etc.

 

If the very fairly stout Brio-R couldn't push the LS-50s around...I was expecting this M-6, to sound absolutely anemic; especially, coming right off the punch-above-its-75wpc-weight Hegel H-80. I will be damned; the combo sounded STUNNING! And not just "better"...but more "powerful". I kept waiting, for the effect to wear off; you know...not "better", just "different". Still waiting...lol. I took the M-6 off the market, and here she sits still.

 

Go figure, huh. But...evidently; I'm not the only one, that thinks tubes...drive the LS-50s nicely:

 

 

The addition of the Concero...has only served, to raise things wayyy up. I'm re-doing some of the acoustics in my Main room right now. Office rig sounds so good...I barely miss it :D 


Edited by CDLehner - 4/30/14 at 7:09am
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I've had a Trends Audio TA-10.1 amp at one stage, so I've learned not to judge amplifiers by their power rating. And it seems to apply even less to valve amps, I'm not sure whether valve amps deal better with impedance variances. I'm driving the my LS50s with a 150W solid state power amplifier. Not only are the LS50s inefficient their impedance are mostly around 4 ohm, I'm not quite sure why they spec them at 8 ohm. My power amplifier does around 230W into 4 ohm and the extra grunt really makes the LS50s sing, but valves does some magic with adding a touch of warmth and softening some of the LS50s brutal nature with poor source material. FWIW, the Emotiva Mini-X that I'm using to power my HE-500 headphones also doesn't have sufficient power to really let the LS50s shine. We have a local amp builder who builds the Valve Audio amplification line (valve, SS hybrid) and I'm hoping to get one of those in the future again to power my LS50s in a stereo setup. The Exclame amplifier does around 100W ohm and 200W into 4 ohm so it has plenty of beans for most speakers and it is very musical and quite warm sounding.

post #1728 of 2247

I'm thinking about changing my Audiolab M-Dac for a Concero HD.

Would it be a worthwile update? I've read few times that people prefer the Concero HD to the Audiolab M-Dac.

I'm just not sure how big the difference would be because the Concero HD is so small and usb powered.


Edited by amigastar - 5/1/14 at 5:32am
post #1729 of 2247
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Originally Posted by amigastar View Post
 

I'm thinking about changing my Audiolab M-Dac for a Concero HD.

Would it be a worthwile update? I've read few times that people prefer the Concero HD to the Audiolab M-Dac.

I'm just not sure how big the difference would be because the Concero HD is so small and usb powered.

 

I just read the Headfonia Concero HP review and someone asks about the M-Dac there too. Coincidence? :biggrin:

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It's indeed me. But Dave hasn't heard the Audiolab M-Dac, so i thought it wouldn't hurt to ask at head-fi :o (especially when i can get it at a good price).


Edited by amigastar - 5/1/14 at 5:56am
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Well I liked the standard Concero more than the Audiolab M-DAC so I can only imagine the HD version being an even better improvement. The Concero for sure has better bass and nice connectedness from the lower to top octaves, where the M-DAC is a bit brighter and aggressive sounding. The Concero also adds a nice touch of air which is more noticeable with speakers. With detail retrieval the M-DAC might edge it, but the HD version so balance out the equation. If you are worried about the USB power you could also check out the Matrix X-sabre.


Edited by daerron - 5/1/14 at 10:50am
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Thanks for the nice description daerron,

 

somehow i think  i wouldn't regret changing my mdac into the concero hd.

I have to overthink it, though.

 

the problem with matrix-sabre is hard to get for a reasonable price in europe.

post #1733 of 2247
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Originally Posted by amigastar View Post
 

Thanks for the nice description daerron,

 

somehow i think  i wouldn't regret changing my mdac into the concero hd.

I have to overthink it, though.

 

the problem with matrix-sabre is hard to get for a reasonable price in europe.

Well, if it's any consolation I'm "downgrading" from the Anedio D1 to the Concero HP.  Actually just did a strait trade and waiting for it to arrive.  I have several pieces of iFi gear on demo loaner right now as I mentioned earlier and I've been very impressed with the combo of their iDAC and iCan together.  So much so that I stopped using the Anedio all together.  Now before I get flamed..... I'm not saying I think it's a "better" DAC than the Anedio, just that I enjoy it's presentation more and the music sounds more like music to me.  It uses the same DAC chip as the standard Concero and to be fair, I'm feeding it with their Gemini split USB cable with Battery and purifier so it's probably getting just as good power as the Concero, but those add ons put it at the same price as the standard Concero.

 

I've also owned a standard Concero in the past and very much enjoyed it, only sold it because I needed money at the time.  So I decided I'd try the Concero HP as a middle ground sanity check.  The iDAC built in amp is less impressive but together with the iCan and the mentioned accessories, it's quite a combo.  I plan to compare them directly to the Concero HP when it arrives.  The price of the amp and DAC plus accessories is about the same new as the Concero HP, so it should be an interesting comparison.  I'm also going to try the iCan daisy chained from the HP's headphone out as well.  One thing is for sure, great strides have been made in USB powered DACs in the last year or so.

post #1734 of 2247

I hope your Concero HP will rock, JWahl.


Edited by amigastar - 5/1/14 at 5:32pm
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Any comparisons between the Concero HD & Yulong DA8?

post #1736 of 2247
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Originally Posted by zachchen1996 View Post
 

Any comparisons between the Concero HD & Yulong DA8?

project 86 has reviewed both, just do a search

post #1737 of 2247
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Originally Posted by bixby View Post
 

project 86 has reviewed both, just do a search

 

Unfortunately in his review of the concero hd there are no comparisons between the concero hd and the DA8

post #1738 of 2247
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Originally Posted by zachchen1996 View Post
 

 

Unfortunately in his review of the concero hd there are no comparisons between the concero hd and the DA8

I usually read several reviews and read between the lines.  He does a really good job of characterizing sound from the dacs he has used.  Sometimes you have to do a little homework since it is not spelled out.  And John is a great guy and if you have a specific question about either I am sure he will oblige an answer, just PM him and be patient.

 

cheers

post #1739 of 2247
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Originally Posted by bixby View Post
 

I usually read several reviews and read between the lines.  He does a really good job of characterizing sound from the dacs he has used.  Sometimes you have to do a little homework since it is not spelled out.  And John is a great guy and if you have a specific question about either I am sure he will oblige an answer, just PM him and be patient.

 

cheers

 

Thanks, I pm'd him a few days ago regarding a comparison and have been scouring the internet like a hawk this week for comparisons. At this point though, I'm leaning more towards the concero hd due to its portability factor.


Edited by zachchen1996 - 5/2/14 at 6:56pm
post #1740 of 2247
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Originally Posted by zachchen1996 View Post

Any comparisons between the Concero HD & Yulong DA8?

i'll answer since i had direct experience between the two

Yulong DA8 DAC only is far superior to the Concero HD, the soundstage of the DA8 is amazingly wide, i'd play tracks where I thought instruments were coming from behind me 5 meters away, then i'd play the same track with the Concero HD and i'd hear the same instruments playing in my left ear only, both were connected to my V200.
I kept the Concero HD in the end because the USB implementation is better for my needs.
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