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post #1651 of 1711
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

Thanks for that input, I am not finding many (read none) other dac/amp combo units where the owners have ANYTHING good to say about the amp section. The Concero HP seems to be fairly unique in that a lot of people actually like the amp built into it.

 

Integrated?

 

I love the DACmini CX for LCD-2 and the Beresford Bushmaster MkII is awesome with the HD650. 

 

Mike

post #1652 of 1711

Yeah, I'm not quite sure I follow on that, unless we're talking about things that are literally sold as DACs with the headphone out tacked on as an afterthought.  Usually with all-in-one units (which is what the HP is) the quality of the headamp is roughly on equal footing w/ the DAC section.  If the HP comes up short it's in driving power due to limitations of working within a USB powered evelope.

 

Recent products at a silmilar price point would probably be the M8 and Therem 720.  And you could probably do quite well with something like the X5 in DAC mode.


Edited by bobeau - 3/2/14 at 11:02pm
post #1653 of 1711

Hello

 

I am new in audio so please forgive me my elementary questions I would like to ask regarding the RL Concero HD/HP. I had a few questions regarding the amp section in the HP. I own the Grado RS1i and the Meridian Explorer DAC. I want a better DAC chip and a separate headphone amp since  the amp in the  Explorer leaves much to be desired. I was looking at purchasing a separate headphone amp to use with the RL Concero HD or HP. 

 

Here is one stupid question. Assuming I purchase quality cables.  I understand that  If I purchase an amp with RCA inputs only I would use the RCA outputs on the HD.  Is it better to purchase a headphone amp that has a S/PDIF input and use the S/PDIF output on the back of the HD? Does it really make a difference either way. I am not even sure that most headphone amps even have an S/PDIF inputs? 

 

Last question. Is the Amp built into the HP good enough to forgo even having to purchase a separate headphone amp? I understand if I purchase the HP and later want a separate Headphone amp, I would be forced to buy an amp with S/PDIF inputs due to lack of RCA outputs on the HP. Correct?

 

I hope that all makes sense. I know the Grado is not on par with cans on par with something like the Audeze line, but I want to be able to have adequate gear now so I don't have to upgrade in a year if I do purchase something like an LCD-2/3.

 

BTW, I was looking at Amps in the price range of the Woo Audio WA3 and Burson Soloist SL.

 

 

Thanks so much. 

 

Music Source: Mac Mini/ HD 16/24  - 96/192 FLAC and AIFF files.

Grado RS1i

Meridian Explorer (not really happy)


Edited by jmm007 - 3/3/14 at 4:57pm
post #1654 of 1711

I can't address the quality of the headphone amp in the HP, though by all accounts in this thread, it's well implemented. What I can address is…

 

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Originally Posted by jmm007 View Post
 

[…]

 

Here is one stupid question. Assuming I purchase quality cables.  I understand that  If I purchase an amp with RCA inputs only I would use the RCA outputs on the HD.  Is it better to purchase a headphone amp that has a S/PDIF input and use the S/PDIF output on the back of the HD? Does it really make a difference either way. I am not even sure that most headphone amps even have an S/PDIF inputs? 

 

[…]

 

The Concero does two things… it acts as a USB audio interface, and as a DAC. If you connect it via USB, and output via the analog RCA outputs, you're using it as both things. If you use the S/PDIF output, you're not using it as a DAC at all, just a USB interface. Now, it is a very capable USB interface, but it's also an excellent DAC. Unless you're shelling out quite a bit for your headphone amp, I'd hazard that you're better off using the Concero as your DAC. 

 

Now, if someone can chime in re: the HP and your specific headphones… you might just have everything all in one package!

post #1655 of 1711
My two cents!
Concero hd-that I have- is a very musical dac and on the warm side
I tried as a dac with my gs1000 (ulde amp-neutral/warm as well) and the combo was impressive
So I think concero hp and rs1 make a great setup
Then
I step to lcd2
Ulde is not juicy enough for it. Unfortunately : I love how it sound and its pretty small size
I mean: if you don't try anything else concero hd+ graham ulde are pretty impressive
But You ( read I) read forums and the curiosity to try 2w for the audeze will come
So I stepped to Burson conductor( about 1.5W per channel on 50ohm-audeze impedence)
It has a sabre 9018(for channel I guess , concero hd has a 9018-2m) and the difference is huge-better the first for my taste and for audeze: more detailed and open sound better for the audeze
I tried to connect concero and use the Burson just as a amp, and to use the Burson as a dac connected to the graham and the biggest improvement is this last one
So
It's all about the headphone you're gonna use: for grado rs1 concero hp could be more than decent, audeze need a juicy amp and a detailed dac with a big soundstage..
Grado and audeze are very different cans so I would like to advise to demo audeze before buy it
After one year of gs1000 and satisfaction my preference goes to audeze
Did you try senn hd650? Could be a first step to audeze and a complementary headphone to rs1
( I use to connect a pair of Adam ax5 as well and they sound better from concero hd/ulde, so, again, it's all a matter of match..and taste)
Ciao
Dani
post #1656 of 1711

brhfl

 

Thanks so much for your comments

 

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 If you use the S/PDIF output, you're not using it as a DAC at all, just a USB interface.

 

That really brought the Concero's S/PDIF function into focus for me. So if I am purchasing the Concero HD to use as a DAC with my Mac Mini, I would use a USB cable from the Mac Mini out to Concero USB in. Then RCA connectors from the Concero RCA analog out to the Amps RCA analog in. Please correct me if I have this wrong. 

 

 

Dani

 

Thanks so much for your comments.

 

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It has a sabre 9018(for channel I guess , concero hd has a 9018-2m) and the difference is huge-better the first for my taste and for audeze: more detailed and open sound better for the audeze 

 

Are you saying the Concero HD DAC sounded better than the DAC in the Conductor? Or visa versa?

 

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 I tried to connect concero and use the Burson just as a amp, and to use the Burson as a dac connected to the graham and the biggest improvement is this last one

 

I was looking at connecting the Concero HD with the Burson Soloist SL. What did you think of the Concero HD with the Burson conductor used as an amp?

 

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 Thanks for the recommendation.

brhfl, Dani thank you both for your comments.

 

Joe

post #1657 of 1711
I think the dac on the burson is better For audeze, the dac of the concero is better with the grado
Yes: I tried all the combination(Burson amp/concero dac- Burson dac/amp - Burson dac/graham ulde amp- concero dac/Burson preamp-Burson dac/preamp) with audeze I prefer in order from what I think is the best:
Burson dac/amp
Graham amp/Burson dac
Concero dac/Burson amp
Graham amp/concero dac
For the hd800, gs1000 as well:
Graham amp/concero dac
Concero dac/Burson amp
Burson dac/graham amp
...
post #1658 of 1711

Thanks again Dani

Very helpful. 

 

Joe

post #1659 of 1711

I was considering the Concero HP to go with my LCD-3 but from what I'm reading it sounds like, the Concero HP will struggle to drive the LCD-3? Can anyone confirm this please?

 

Another option is the Concero HD and an amp like the Soloist or the Pathos Aurium. Would that be a better option than the HP for the Audeze LCD-3?

 

If neither of the above is suitable then I think I'll start looking at the Chord Hugo.

post #1660 of 1711
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
 

I was considering the Concero HP to go with my LCD-3 but from what I'm reading it sounds like, the Concero HP will struggle to drive the LCD-3? Can anyone confirm this please?

 

Another option is the Concero HD and an amp like the Soloist or the Pathos Aurium. Would that be a better option than the HP for the Audeze LCD-3?

 

If neither of the above is suitable then I think I'll start looking at the Chord Hugo.

 

The Concero HP will do a decent job with Audezes. Not the best you'll ever hear, and certainly not the worst either. It doesn't necessarily color the sound or change it to any major degree, but dynamics will be somewhat dull and bass response won't be as deep as it could be. Concero HP plus a more powerful amp works very well though. 

post #1661 of 1711
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Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
 

I was considering the Concero HP to go with my LCD-3 but from what I'm reading it sounds like, the Concero HP will struggle to drive the LCD-3? Can anyone confirm this please?

 

Another option is the Concero HD and an amp like the Soloist or the Pathos Aurium. Would that be a better option than the HP for the Audeze LCD-3?

 

If neither of the above is suitable then I think I'll start looking at the Chord Hugo.

Check out the CEntrance HifiM8 for your LCD-3s.  

post #1662 of 1711
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
 

 

The Concero HP will do a decent job with Audezes. Not the best you'll ever hear, and certainly not the worst either. It doesn't necessarily color the sound or change it to any major degree, but dynamics will be somewhat dull and bass response won't be as deep as it could be. Concero HP plus a more powerful amp works very well though. 

 

Thanks.

I had grand plans when I got my LCD-3 a few months back but unfortunately other things got in the way and I've had put things on hold for now. So I'm looking for something modest to get me through for the next several months. The Conceros seem reasonably priced for that purpose. For me at least anyway.

 

I'm guessing the Concero HP; or the Concero HD DSD and a similarly priced amp, will be miles better than listening to LCD3 straight out of a MacBook (with Audrivana) as I currently do, right? ;-)

I know some people will think of that as sacrilege but like I said, unfortunate circumstances and all that. :-)


Edited by Shaka - 3/9/14 at 3:44pm
post #1663 of 1711
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post
 

Check out the CEntrance HifiM8 for your LCD-3s.  

 

Thanks. Not something I'd considered but I'm open to suggestions and will take a look.

 

Just to be clear though, I'm not necessarily looking for a portable solution, it's mostly for a desktop solution with portability being a nice option to have just in case....

Maybe mentioning the Chord Hugo made it sound like I need portability. I don't really.

Just looking for a modestly priced quality solution, with DSD playback support. 

 

Thanks again.


Edited by Shaka - 3/9/14 at 3:43pm
post #1664 of 1711
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Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
 

 

Thanks. Not something I'd considered but I'm open to suggestions and will take a look.

 

Just to be clear though, I'm not necessarily looking for a portable solution, it's mostly for a desktop solution with portability being a nice option to have just in case....

Maybe mentioning the Chord Hugo made it sound like I need portability. I don't really.

Just looking for a modestly priced quality solution, with DSD playback support. 

 

Thanks again.

The M8 is a portable that is easily the equal or superior of a number of devices and combos in its price range based on both sound quality and power (important for the LCD-3).  It doesn't, however handle DSD natively (would have to use Jriver or the like to do on the fly conversion to PCM), so likely is knocked out of consideration for you.

post #1665 of 1711
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Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
 

 

Thanks. Not something I'd considered but I'm open to suggestions and will take a look.

 

Just to be clear though, I'm not necessarily looking for a portable solution, it's mostly for a desktop solution with portability being a nice option to have just in case....

Maybe mentioning the Chord Hugo made it sound like I need portability. I don't really.

Just looking for a modestly priced quality solution, with DSD playback support. 

 

Thanks again.

You could check Audio gd Compass 2

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