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post #1621 of 2247
Well i think hrt plus and hd are very similar
The concero is a little more musical linear and detail and music is more full with more body
After a while The differences are a bit more clear but it's not a day and night ..
Does it worth the money? I don't know.. You know money and upgrade aren't aligned in this hobby
The two up sampler filter are very very similar
I wasn't interested in dsd too and in balanced output as well ( in this moment)
I tried the mdac before for a week
It sounds clearly different from hrt. More detailed and it seems that you hear more information from the music. But I think in my setup, that is pretty warm, it miss a bit of musicality:too much detail
I listen this setup far away from home where I work and from the laptop only so for me it's perfect for Connectivity and moving easiness
Next week I hope to have the chance to listen the psaudio nuwave and naim dac in my setup
We ll see..
post #1622 of 2247

Thanks for your thoughts. I'll keep looking ...

post #1623 of 2247

actually listening right now from the adam F5 (connected to the headphone amp)

the differences are more clear than from the audeze

post #1624 of 2247

Well, I'm just surprised those apparently quite different DACs end up sounding more or less the same ... This confirms Gary's experiences, indeed. I was hoping to upgrade from the HRT without breaking the bank ...  options are becoming very scarce though.

post #1625 of 2247
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Originally Posted by Musica Amantem View Post
 

Well, I'm just surprised those apparently quite different DACs end up sounding more or less the same ... This confirms Gary's experiences, indeed. I was hoping to upgrade from the HRT without breaking the bank ...  options are becoming very scarce though.

 

Meh, I'm not so sure I'd agree. I've heard most of the HRT gear and wouldn't put any of it on the same level as the Concero models. Yes, we reviewers do emphasize small differences because hey, that's what people want to know. Night and day differences are not as common as some people make them out to be, but differences do exist. 

 

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Originally Posted by montanari View Post
 

actually listening right now from the adam F5 (connected to the headphone amp)

the differences are more clear than from the audeze

 

The F5 is a very transparent speaker. I can see how they'd bring out more differences than the Audezes, which aren't exactly what I'd call detail oriented. Thanks for the update. 

post #1626 of 2247

Project86,

 

As you know I was about to get the U18/D18 combo, but was put off by two references, one of them from SoundBsessive. According to those views, the D18 is a great value only when the connecting amp accepts balanced inputs, as the SQ differences among these and the sinle-ended RCA's is significant in the D18. My tube amp does not accept balanced inputs, unfortunately. In addition, someone else said it tends to project some glare or haze up top when using single-ended outputs.

 

What is your take on those views?  Thanks.

post #1627 of 2247

What would you say would be the best 3 or 4 sub $650 dacs to look at. I am thinking this one, Bifrost Uber and maybe...what else?

post #1628 of 2247
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What would you say would be the best 3 or 4 sub $650 dacs to look at. I am thinking this one, Bifrost Uber and maybe...what else?


concero is about 600+

post #1629 of 2247
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What would you say would be the best 3 or 4 sub $650 dacs to look at. I am thinking this one, Bifrost Uber and maybe...what else?

 

Well definitely those two and perhaps the Emotiva DC-1 would be a good option. The advantage of the Concero is that you can use it as a high quality USB->SPDIF converter in the future and that it is incredibly portable.

post #1630 of 2247
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

 

Well definitely those two and perhaps the Emotiva DC-1 would be a good option. The advantage of the Concero is that you can use it as a high quality USB->SPDIF converter in the future and that it is incredibly portable.


Thanks for mentioning the Emotiva unit. I had looked at that but kind of forgot about it. Looks like a solid unit and while I haven't seen many reviews the ones I have seen have been good.

post #1631 of 2247
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Musica Amantem View Post
 

Project86,

 

As you know I was about to get the U18/D18 combo, but was put off by two references, one of them from SoundBsessive. According to those views, the D18 is a great value only when the connecting amp accepts balanced inputs, as the SQ differences among these and the sinle-ended RCA's is significant in the D18. My tube amp does not accept balanced inputs, unfortunately. In addition, someone else said it tends to project some glare or haze up top when using single-ended outputs.

 

What is your take on those views?  Thanks.

 

When using the D18 in single ended mode, it's still enjoyable. But you don't get every possible bit of performance out of it. I might go with Concero instead, when using RCA connections. 

post #1632 of 2247

Thanks for the sensible advice.

 

I'm also intrigued by the Emo Pro Stealth DC-1. It brings about the advantage of allowing to 'ride the gain' using the preamp's analog volume in tandem with the amp's volume setting, creating more oomph/dynamics when the former is set slightly higher than the last.

 

Nevertheless, logic tells me at that price the set of features offered by the DC-1 may be just too much and thus not able to compete with the Concero in DAC sound quality alone, my main objective. Now I need to decide between the two. I don't care for the DC-1's headphone amp, but if it's DAC SQ is equivalent to the Concero's, I would be able to take advantage of the preamp as described.

 

I apologize for the nagging, I just want to understand my choices. Thanks again.

post #1633 of 2247

I am considering adding the Emotiva DC-1 to my collection (or otherwise the Rotel RC-1570). I want to hook the DC-1 up directly to my power amp to drive my speakers for stereo music. I haven't been too happy listening to music through my AVR of late. So if I end up going that route I would be in a position to compare the DC-1 and Concero directly.

 

I think the best aspect of the Concero is its cohesiveness from top to bottom and its ability to add a bit of air and space to the sound. It really gives you a good taste of the improved technical aspects that you'll typically find in more expensive mid level DACs which is quite rare for the price category. So in that sense the Concero is a very nice DAC if you have limited funds available and want to spend more money on your downstream gear without handicapping the performance.


Edited by daerron - 2/16/14 at 9:19am
post #1634 of 2247

I've decided not to sell my concero. I've found a setup that works for me. I've been using my little dot as a preamp and while some of the detail is lost, what I felt was missing definitely got filled by the tube harmonics, and everything still "feels" better to me than the havana by quite some. Having those qualities that I liked about the havana plus the soundstage and extra detail of the concero is really a best of both worlds for me. Like I said not AS detailed as the concero alone, I'm assuming just cause the LDmk2 is not exactly a premium preamp. However this combo gets the job done better than the havana alone and doesn't give such a sterile sound like the concero straight into the bakoon amp which is very linear and precise. This way when I'm working on audio production, I can still use the concero straight into the bakoon to get a more analytical sound that helps me personally in mixing/mastering. I'm very pleased to find such a solution.

post #1635 of 2247

i sold mine too, the Female vocal on the Mentor was dry when paired with this DAC, i did try some other DACs too, only the Concero (not HD/HP) seems to have problems with this CIEM, wasn't the amp cause i also did try other amps such as the pico slim, other than that this DAC was very good. 

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