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post #1576 of 2247
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

I prefer the Concero to the Gungnir.

 

Maxvla and JL were here when we did this comparison (Concero, Gungnir, NuWave). JL and I also preferred the Concero.

post #1577 of 2247

I will soon be trying out my Concero as a USB to SPDIF converter, into a Bushmaster MkII (TC-7533) DAC/amp that accepts only coaxial and optical inputs. The Bushmaster is expected to arrive today.

 

I recall from a Dallas meet that Jazzerdave uses an XMOS-equipped Matrix X-SPDIF USB-to-SPDIF converter with his killer HD800 rig.  

 

How does the Concero stack up against the competition in this arena?  

 

Or is there not much information out there on using it this way?  (I haven't researched it.)

 

Thanks,

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 1/29/14 at 4:54am
post #1578 of 2247
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

I will soon be trying out my Concero as a USB to SPDIF converter, into a Bushmaster MkII (TC-7533) DAC/amp that accepts only coaxial and optical inputs. The Bushmaster is expected to arrive today.

 

I recall from a Dallas meet that Jazzerdave uses an XMOS-equipped Matrix X-SPDIF USB-to-SPDIF converter with his killer HD800 rig.  

 

How does the Concero stack up against the competition in this arena?  

 

Or is there not much information out there on using it this way?  (I haven't researched it.)

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

Well, 6Moons and Digital Audio Review both claim it to be on the same level as the Audiophileo, just a different flavor.  I've long said the real strength of the Concero is as a converter.  It is essentially a high end USB converter with FPGA attached to the DAC-on-chip 9023.

post #1579 of 2247

While I did not have the Audiophileo at the time, I did have the Halide.  I liked the Halide better.  See the review I did on the Concero for more details.

 

http://digitalaudiodirections.blogspot.com/2013/05/resonessence-labs-concero-dac-review.html

 

Now that I have the Audiophileo in my system with the Blue Circle dac, I prefer the Audiophileo over the Halide.  Relatively easy to hear the improvement.

post #1580 of 2247
Thanks guys! I'll stick with using the Concero as a converter for now (and perhaps a long time to come.)

Mike
post #1581 of 2247
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

Thanks guys! I'll stick with using the Concero as a converter for now (and perhaps a long time to come.)

Mike

How do you use the concero as a converter? Can you bypass a converter in another dac? How is it hooked up? 

thanks

post #1582 of 2247
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Originally Posted by rnadell View Post
 

How do you use the concero as a converter? Can you bypass a converter in another dac? How is it hooked up? 

thanks


You wouldn't bypassing another DAC if using the Concero as a usb/spdif converter. The Concero  spdif I/O jack would be connected via 75ohm coax  to the other DAC's spdif input jack. Go to Resonessence website and download the Concero manual for details.

post #1583 of 2247
Thread Starter 

I personally find the Concero to be a very competent DDC. It's not on the level of the big boys such as Audiophilleo, Bel Canto RefLink, or Empirical Off-Ramp 5. But it's definitely a step above the Stello U3 which used to be one of the best options out there. 

post #1584 of 2247

Hi rnadell,

 

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Originally Posted by rnadell View Post
 

How do you use the concero as a converter? Can you bypass a converter in another dac? How is it hooked up? 

 

thanks

 

The short version (or maybe it's going to be the long version) goes like this:  

 

When the Concero sees both power and data coming in on its USB jack (from a laptop or PC, for example), it puts out an analog line out signal on the "Right" and "Left" RCA jacks (that go to an amplifier), while simultaneously putting out an SPDIF (digital) signal on the orange "Digital" RCA jack (that would go to the Coaxial input of a DAC).  

 

This bypasses the Concero's DAC, such that it does nothing more than convert USB to SPDIF - for use with a DAC or DAC/amp that does not have a USB receiver - like the Beresford Bushmaster MkII, which offers two Coaxial and two Optical inputs.

 

Optionally, one tap of the down arrow on the Apple remote will silence the Concero's analog line out jacks, so that only SPDIF is active - going out on the "Digital" jack.

 

 

 

44.1/16 and 96/24 WAV on SD cards > Windows 7 > Foobar 2000 w/ WASAPI event > USB > Moon Audio Blue Dragon USB Cable > Resonessence Concero > SPDIF > Emotiva XDRCA Cable > Beresford Bushmaster MkII TC-7533 DAC + Amp > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > HD800 (or HD600)

 

This combination is my favorite for the HD600 and even the HD800, now.  I ordered an HD650 today, because I've heard from more than one source that the Bushmaster MkII with HD650 is "end game" and that it sounds a lot like a Speedballed Bottlehead Crack with the HD650 - which is saying a lot for any solid state rig.  Just hearing it with the HD600 is killer. I've never tried a Crack, but if it's anything like the Bushmaster, it must be nice.  I'm really trying to hold back, here.

 

The HD800 could use a little more power for bass control, but the Bushmaster tames the treble without killing any detail and there's plenty of bass. The most remarkable aspect is just how bottomless the noise floor is - micro-details galore, nothing harsh, startling dynamics, transparent, and natural.  

 

I better leave my desire to spew a lot of superlatives at that, except to add that the Bushmaster MkII is absolutely a no-remorse purchase and the Concero is apparently doing a great job at USB > SPDIF.  

 

Mike

post #1585 of 2247
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

 

The short version (or maybe it's going to be the long version) goes like this:  

 

When the Concero sees both power and data coming in on its USB jack (from a laptop or PC, for example), it puts out an analog line out signal on the "Right" and "Left" RCA jacks (that go to an amplifier), while simultaneously putting out an SPDIF (digital) signal on the orange "Digital" RCA jack (that would go to the Coaxial input of a DAC).  

 

This bypasses the Concero's DAC, such that it does nothing more than convert USB to SPDIF - for use with a DAC or DAC/amp that does not have a USB receiver - like the Beresford Bushmaster MkII, which offers two Coaxial and two Optical inputs.

 

Optionally, one tap of the down arrow on the Apple remote will silence the Concero's analog line out jacks, so that only SPDIF is active - going out on the "Digital" jack.

 

 

 

44.1/16 and 96/24 WAV on SD cards > Windows 7 > Foobar 2000 w/ WASAPI event > USB > Moon Audio Blue Dragon USB Cable > Resonessence Concero > SPDIF > Emotiva XDRCA Cable > Beresford Bushmaster MkII TC-7533 DAC + Amp > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > HD800 (or HD600)

 

This combination is my favorite for the HD600 and even the HD800, now.  I ordered an HD650 today, because I've heard from more than one source that the Bushmaster MkII with HD650 is "end game" and that it sounds a lot like a Speedballed Bottlehead Crack with the HD650 - which is saying a lot for any solid state rig.  Just hearing it with the HD600 is killer. I've never tried a Crack, but if it's anything like the Bushmaster, it must be nice.  I'm really trying to hold back, here.

 

The HD800 could use a little more power for bass control, but the Bushmaster tames the treble without killing any detail and there's plenty of bass. The most remarkable aspect is just how bottomless the noise floor is - micro-details galore, nothing harsh, startling dynamics, transparent, and natural.  

 

I better leave my desire to spew a lot of superlatives at that, except to add that the Bushmaster MkII is absolutely a no-remorse purchase and the Concero is apparently doing a great job at USB > SPDIF.  

 

Mike

Thanks for a very easy to understand explanation. by the way what is the price of the bushmaster mkll?

post #1586 of 2247
Thanks!

The price might change, so here's the link for ordering a Bushmaster MkII: http://www.homehifi.co.uk/PP/Digital_Audio_1.html

I got mine five days later (in Dallas).

Mike
post #1587 of 2247

Haven't posted here in a long time.

I recently bought the Shure 846 on impulse last month and have been really enjoying them at work (for the little bit that I listen).

I was using them with my Meridian Explorer.

But I decided to sell it and get the Concero HP when I learned about it last week.

 

I got the HP last night and I tried it with the Shure 846 and my Grado PS500.

It sounds fantastic. I am not very picky but this unit sounded really good.

 

The only thing that maybe concerns me is that there is very little play on the volume for the Shure 846.

The windows volume control would only be at about 6 for normal recordings or maybe 10 for recordings like from Water Lily that are recorded at a lower level.

So there's not enough play between too loud and too soft as far as the Shure 846 is concerned.

 

Anyone else noticed this with their IEMs?

 

I haven't tried it my Audeze LCD-3 and HD800. I don't plan to use it with them but

it will be fun to compare how it drives them versus my Bryston BHA-1 fed by a Benchmark DAC2.

 

I also just tried to see if it will connect to my Nexus 7 2nd gen and it did. The USB audio recorder app recognized it, it was powered up. I didn't play anything yet, but that's a good sign.

 

-- Sanjay


Edited by schugh - Today at 5:49 pm

post #1588 of 2247

Leaving the Concero club because I sold all of my big heavy planars. Sad. I'm thinking about buying the HP version maybe (once I sell the Concero), so that I can use it on the go with portable cans. Is anyone using the Sig Pros with the Concero HP?

post #1589 of 2247
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Leaving the Concero club because I sold all of my big heavy planars. Sad. I'm thinking about buying the HP version maybe (once I sell the Concero), so that I can use it on the go with portable cans. Is anyone using the Sig Pros with the Concero HP?

we will miss you man :< get the HP sooner :P and super thanks for pointing out that the IIIR gets the female vocal kind of dryer, i did notice that on the Mentor after A/B ing the IIR and the Apo ,


i hope the Toxic cable Silver Widow will make the mids better on the IIR mode, cause i love the Treble on the IIR, atm i got the Tralucent gold cable which tend to be brighter hence a change in the mids that are slightly warm to begin with.

 

post #1590 of 2247

hey guys after a lot of A/Bing i decided to sell the Concero for the same reason that made me sell the Yulong D100 MKII, the sound is smooth, less colored/fun for me, which tend to make my J-pop kind of boring, no offence people i am not saying its a bad DAC, its just the sound isn't what i am into.

Getting Shcit Gungnir , will search about it first, also wanted to tell you that my iUSB + Gemini cable will be up for sale, free DHL fast shipping too.

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