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Originally Posted by montanari View Post
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hi folks

my actual setup is composed by audeze lcd2+graham slee ultralinear de+hrt II plus+aqvox power supply

I would like to upgrade the dac, I need only usb input

I was wondering if the concero is a good match with my setup, or everything will go too much in the dark side

i m not even sure if starting with a balanced setup for the audeze worst the money.. i m pretty satisfied of the graham

in this case another contender is the psaudio nuwave

i have an audiolab mdac on demo and sound much better than the hrt, but i read that the usb input is not so good..

 

no dsd-mostly flac jazz free jazz avant-garde electronic techno are my favourite genres

 

might i  have an advise?
balanced: mdac/psaudio nuwave/yulong new one/matrix x sabre/aqvox

unbalanced: concero/concero hd /chord qute hd

???

 

thank you very much

ciao

Dani

 

I like the Concero better than the M-DAC and NuWave in your list. The Concero's USB input is very good and for such a small unit it is quite versatile. The M-DAC might be better at retrieving the guts of music but it didn't really connect me to the music in the same way the Concero does. Look more at the M-DAC if the pre & headamp appeals to you as well the XLR outputs. The Concero does have some treble glare which I picked up after I recently acquired a turntable and started listening to vinyl records, which can it make sound a little bit unnatural with certain instruments. I also owned the NuWave DAC which I would only recommend if you listen to a lot of HD music formats. On CD quality material is doesn't quite reach the same heights and tend to sound a bit flat and uninvolving. It has dynamics (sudden drums can be quite startling) in spades with stuff like classical music. Still trying to find somebody here who has the Yulong DA8 to compare with, but I'm sure it will beat the Concero. Check out the HD version too which has the ESS9018-2M.


Edited by daerron - 1/26/14 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post
 

my Concero will be here tomorrow, and GOD!! 58.82$ just the tax... beside the 45$ shipping.... not cool... this is alone nearly 700$ and will use it instead the WA7's DAC... hope its really worth the Trouble... i won't be happy if i didn't notice the difference on 1st day...  you guys did notice it right? coming from not a bad DAC such as WA7's DAC ... any info?

 

Hehe, wait till you see how small the unit is! :D

I've tried a couple of mid-level DACs before and this was the first one my wife immediately commented on sounding nice! She's the one with the ears and I just buy the gear! :p 

 

I'd very much love to hear your impressions as well, especially with the WA7. I've been eyeing that headphone amp for a while now.


Edited by daerron - 1/26/14 at 10:23am
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thank you very much

actually I just need usb connection and maybe, but maybe..xrl to connect active monitor and try audeze balanced experience (this means bryston or spl later on..)

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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

 

. Still trying to find somebody here who has the Yulong DA8 to compare with, but I'm sure it will beat the Concero. Check out the HD version too which has the ESS9018-2M.

an italian friend has yulong and concero hd he said just different sound signature, something better with ones, something ele better with the other

...he has a blog Friday will publish the demos and comparison, I could send the link

ciao

Dani

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Hehe, wait till you see how small the unit is! :D

I've tried a couple of mid-level DACs before and this was the first one my wife immediately commented on sounding nice! She's the one with the ears and I just buy the gear! :p 

 

I'd very much love to hear your impressions as well, especially with the WA7. I've been eyeing that headphone amp for a while now.

oh nice to hear another one telling me the DAC will be awsome :P

and yes the WA7 is nice and i like it with the upgraded tubes, the stock tubes are for a warmer sound sig, less treble/bass and forward warm sweet mids,  kind of nice that you can swap between the stock tubes and upgraded depending on the mood,

the sad part is the DAC , not that its bad, but for a head-fier who want the best out of his gear then a new DAC should be there , and i decided to go for this one after reading and asking few people about it. 

post #1566 of 2248
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

 

The Concero does have some treble glare which I picked up after I recently acquired a turntable and started listening to vinyl records, which can it make sound a little bit unnatural with certain instruments.

 

This, I have not experienced at all. Concero sounds very smooth to my ears... non-etchy, non-grainy, top to bottom. If you engage the IIR filter it will sparkle a teeny bit on top (which I usually use, even with HD800's). Otherwise... ? Not sure where the unnaturalness is coming from. Can you describe this?

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Originally Posted by Nick Dangerous View Post
 

 

This, I have not experienced at all. Concero sounds very smooth to my ears... non-etchy, non-grainy, top to bottom. If you engage the IIR filter it will sparkle a teeny bit on top (which I usually use, even with HD800's). Otherwise... ? Not sure where the unnaturalness is coming from. Can you describe this?

 

It is noticeable with female vocals like Norah Jones and Joni Mitchell and I'm comparing 24-bit/96Khz PCM material vs vinyl records of the same record so the upsampling doesn't apply. Its also noticeable with instruments like the violin. Real violins have body and warmth and the Concero does not really portray this realistically for me. There is too much treble energy present so they sound thinner and edgier, as a result I don't find it as pleasing sounding with classical music. On my turntable vocals are smoother with no hint of an etch and there is more warmth present.

 

Honestly its difficult to tell whether this is the source material or whether its a result of the digital conversion process. If its in the source then the Concero certainly isn't hiding it. Look, I love this little DAC. Its got amazing sound for what it is and if you consider the size and in its price category there's not much that can really touch it. I'm highlighting what I think is a small weakness in an otherwise very solid sounding piece of kit.


Edited by daerron - 1/27/14 at 5:44am
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how is the IIIR Filter on the female vocals? hope not dry or something :< i like the mids to still be warm, using the Mentor, very nice warm mids here, will the IIIR filter change that? going for the IIIR filter for the Treble Sparkle <3 yet worried on my mid range's overall warmth :< 

any idea people? 

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Here it is people!! check this sexy small dac on the top of a sexy amp!!! :3 nice couples ha? XD i am afraid they will start making out soon and we end up with a new product lol

 

 

 

 


 


Edited by Shini44 - 1/27/14 at 5:15am
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you're not going to leave it there right?  you know those tubes need some air.

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nah this was for taking cool photos xD

will update my impressions about sound after i give it some time ^^

Update: Gave it like nearly 6-7 hours , this DAC is Billions times cleaner than the WA7 DAC and both were on the iUSB as you can see, the Bass from the WA7 did hurt my ear sometimes on few notes and few tracks my ears avoided its harshness on few notes are just normal now! WOW!! 

this DAC made a Huge difference for real O-o


now i want an Apple remote so i enjoy the IIR and test the other filter option too :< 


Edited by Shini44 - 1/27/14 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post
 

Here it is people!! check this sexy small dac on the top of a sexy amp!!! :3 nice couples ha? XD i am afraid they will start making out soon and we end up with a new product lol

 

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Shame, you are choking your poor Concero with those thin interconnects! j/k :p That Concero should look very neat stacked next to your WA7? Any further impressions on the sound? Nm see you've updated your post! Happy to hear you are liking the sound so far.

 


Edited by daerron - 1/28/14 at 12:53pm
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Has anyone compared the Concero with the Gungnir? 

Thanks

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I prefer the Concero to the Gungnir.
post #1575 of 2248
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

 

Shame, you are choking your poor Concero with those thin interconnects! j/k :p That Concero should look very neat stacked next to your WA7? Any further impressions on the sound? Nm see you've updated your post! Happy to hear you are liking the sound so far.

 

i don't know how to get higher quality RCA cables lol, and today getting the Apple Remote from the  store, will give it hours then do a 2nd update on the sound :3, will go IIR 1st >=)

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