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post #1366 of 2248
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Perhaps that's something specific to SPDIF, in which case I wouldn't know --- I've only used the HP exclusively with USB, and in-between tracks, unless it's switching between filtered and bit-perfect (red book and high-res), I don't hear the fade-in effect. Personally, I like the fade-in effect, but I can see how it could be distracting if someone listens to a continuous album.

 

I didn't notice it at all with USB to be honest.  If it's a 3db fade in I don't think I'd be quite so bothered, but this is fade in from nothing so the start of the song is inaudible.  I plan on using the Concero almost exclusively with spdif and that works really well in all regards except for this.  If I had to guess I would say the Oppo is muting the output between songs and the Concero fades in each time a signal is first detected.  I think I've seen that before, but with completely different kit.

post #1367 of 2248
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Originally Posted by Stormfriend View Post  I didn't notice it at all with USB to be honest.  If it's a 3db fade in I don't think I'd be quite so bothered, but this is fade in from nothing so the start of the song is inaudible.  I plan on using the Concero almost exclusively with spdif and that works really well in all regards except for this.  If I had to guess I would say the Oppo is muting the output between songs and the Concero fades in each time a signal is first detected.  I think I've seen that before, but with completely different kit.


That's a good guess. Yours is as good as mine.

post #1368 of 2248
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

 

AFAIK, when any of the Conceros switches from filtered mode (mauve) back to bit-perfect mode (blue), it will do a fade-in effect on the song. Perhaps especially so for the [original] Concero, as they leave (3 dB?) of digital headroom when processing the IIR/apodizing filters, so there is a difference in volume between filtered mode and bit-perfect...

There is no volume difference between the three filter settings in the original Concero. I believe the 3dB difference you refer to has to do with the S/PDIF pass through. 

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Perhaps you'd know better. I've never used the original Concero, but I read something to that effect; perhaps it is only with the S/PDIF pass-through.

post #1370 of 2248
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Perhaps you'd know better. I've never used the original Concero, but I read something to that effect; perhaps it is only with the S/PDIF pass-through.

I checked the 6Moons review and the SPDIF pass-through is actually 6dB higher than the outputs for both USB to analog and SPDIF to analog. The analog outputs are all matched because the max. output is fixed at 1.2 volts. The digital pass-through is bit-perfect and not attenuated at all. I have the original Concero and there definitely is no volume change as you switch the different settings. Hope this helps.

 

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/resonessence2/1.html

post #1371 of 2248
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Originally Posted by Axiom05 View Post  I checked the 6Moons review and the SPDIF pass-through is actually 6dB higher than the outputs for both USB to analog and SPDIF to analog. The analog outputs are all matched because the max. output is fixed at 1.2 volts. The digital pass-through is bit-perfect and not attenuated at all. I have the original Concero and there definitely is no volume change as you switch the different settings. Hope this helps.

 

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/resonessence2/1.html


Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't mean to spread misinformation.

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Originally Posted by Stormfriend View Post

My search-fu must be lacking; I can see plenty of SD walkmans and players (I very nearly got the AK120 instead of the Concero HP as it happens) but I can't see any dedicated transports with coax spdif output.  I also wanted the simplest device possible (that allowed navigation) to reduce electrical activity and battery consumption, so I avoided those with DACs built in.  My Micromega transport is incredibly simple and almost always bests my PC despite being 20 years old, although that may just be its linear psu working better on my dodgy mains.  The Micromega sounds lovely with the Concero.

I can suggest a few to look for if you give me a price range.
post #1373 of 2248
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post


I can suggest a few to look for if you give me a price range.

 

I'd be interested up to £1000, preferably around £500.  They're going to need to be battery powered, ideally with an external DC input, but I'd also be interested in mains powered units in case I move house and can use a conventional system again.  Thanks.

 

Edit: my Aune is already en-route from China (it feels like waiting for the next clipper to come in laden with tea), so that's what they have to beat in performance.


Edited by Stormfriend - 12/6/13 at 12:36am
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Realized that the Concero HP got awarded a gold prize in Japan's PhileWeb VGP awards for 2014 for the "ヘッドホンアンプ(据え置きタイプ・5万円以上10万円未満)" category...

 

[I can't read Japanese, but Google roughly says it's a category for "stationary headphone amplifiers between ¥50000-100000"]

 

Usually, even though many foreign brands get nominated, historically winners of the VGP awards have been heavily skewed toward the Japanese brands, so it's impressive that the HP actually won something.

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Originally Posted by Stormfriend View Post
 

 

I didn't notice it at all with USB to be honest.  If it's a 3db fade in I don't think I'd be quite so bothered, but this is fade in from nothing so the start of the song is inaudible.  I plan on using the Concero almost exclusively with spdif and that works really well in all regards except for this.  If I had to guess I would say the Oppo is muting the output between songs and the Concero fades in each time a signal is first detected.  I think I've seen that before, but with completely different kit.

Does the light on the Concero turn red during these silent moments? If it does, it is not receiving any data from the Oppo.

post #1376 of 2248
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Originally Posted by Axiom05 View Post
 

Does the light on the Concero turn red during these silent moments? If it does, it is not receiving any data from the Oppo.

 

No it turns blue briefly if set to mauve.  I did have an issue a few hours ago where it randomly started turning to red even in the middle of songs, which meant I got drop outs, but twiddling the spdif cable seems to have sorted it.  I'm not sure why it would suddenly start to do that, but it's working again now.  That's a separate issue though and probably just means I need to clean the contacts on the spdif cable.  USB worked fine when I switched back to that for a while.

 

Edit, it doesn't turn blue.  If set to mauve with a filter, but showing as blue whilst playing HD, then it flicks back to mauve briefly between songs.


Edited by Stormfriend - 12/6/13 at 6:04am
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I've been playing with the ASIO drivers and sharing between Foobar and VLC:

 

If Foobar is playing bit rate A and I start something in VLC with bit rate B I only hear Foobar.

If Foobar is playing bit rate A and I start something in VLC with bit rate A I hear both.

If VLC is playing bit rate A and I start something in Foobar with bit rate A I hear both.

If VLC is playing bit rate A and I start something in Foobar with bit rate B Foobar seizes control and I no longer hear VLC.

 

I suspect I'll mostly use the PC for high bit rate files now, which means Foobar will have priority.  That works for me.

 

I've just discovered http://www.2l.no/hires/ and will be experimenting when my first DXD file has finally downloaded... :L3000:

post #1378 of 2248
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
 

Stormfriend - you might investigate eBay for some more SD card payer options. They seem to be more popular in Asia than the USA, and there are plenty of models to choose from. Surely there is something that would fit you better than the Aune which doesn't even handle FLAC. Granted, the Aune is cheap, but that appears to be all it has going for it. 

 

BTW, my review of the Concero HP is POSTED if anyone cares. 

 

Hey project86, question, how do you think the Concero HP would compare to the Anedio D2 as a standalone(dac/amp) specifically for CIEMs(FP JH-13s specifically) thanks for any info! I was gonna comment on the article but I never got my account creation email :/

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Changing the advanced settings for WASAPI in Foobar has resulted in awesomness for the Concero. Very nice. All thanks to this thread.:L3000:

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Changing the advanced settings for WASAPI in Foobar has resulted in awesomness for the Concero. Very nice. All thanks to this thread.:L3000:

Hi,

 Resonessence in an earlier post recommended to not set the Concero as the default playback device in Windows. Did you do this?

 

Thanks

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