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post #61 of 239

The response of those who only want a player that can handle FLAC is trully fascinating to me. Doesn't every audiophile want the best sound in their setup? Doesn't that involve trial and error? Listening? That's what we do, folks! All you have to do is try JEP. It would take a few minutes to accomplish, as much time as it takes to post a meaningless comment! Meaningless because you haven't even tried it!

ThinkSpace - please ignore this type of negativity. I applaud your concept. And I thank you for creating an audio player that sounds so special. I'm sure you'll attract a large following.


Edited by goldiver - 1/1/13 at 10:33am
post #62 of 239
Did try it, with some WAV files I converted over from FLAC, just for this purpose. Didn't hear any significant improvement over other players. YMMV, of course.
post #63 of 239
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post

What's the difference? bit it bit identical with Wav, only compressed.

Many people have large collections, so converting everything to Wav, is just crazy.

What an awful waste of space!

Seems like the #1 complaint through this thread.

 

You said, it will make the player sound worse?

Add it as a plugin option, people can use it if they need it, or remove it if they don't.

This way you cover all your bases.

 

Even with other players that support FLAC, ALAC etc. some people prefer the sound of WAV or AIFF.  Computer audio is unfortunately pretty unpredictable when you are trying to squeeze out the last 2% of sound quality, even stuff like how the file is ripped, what sort of drive it is stored on can make small differences and ultimately each of us has to make our own decision about what we are willing to compromise or how much trouble we are willing to go to for a small difference in sound quality.  After all some people are willing to spend hundreds or even thousands on interconnects etc. that will make similarly small differences.biggrin.gif

post #64 of 239

Unfortunately trans-coding large collections is just not practical. Flac is bit for bit identical with the original tracks, which is why most use it in the first place for archiving.  WAV offers nothing over FLAC aside from much larger file sizes.  Not really a point to argue over though.

 

To each their own, use what you will.


Edited by ROBSCIX - 1/1/13 at 5:29pm
post #65 of 239
Thread Starter 
FLAC decoding requires additional calculations, this process will broken the JEP compact structure.
In addition to JEP, as do many professional audio processing software, but their emphasis is not placed on the playback.
For the normal user, I have another player, support FLAC and Monkey, of course, the sound quality is not so extreme.
post #66 of 239
I've used other minimalist players, including pkshan's weird little Foobar variant, and frankly, I think it sounds better than even the latest version of JEP. And it plays FLAC w/o any problem.
post #67 of 239
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dradder View Post

I've used other minimalist players, including pkshan's weird little Foobar variant, and frankly, I think it sounds better than even the latest version of JEP. And it plays FLAC w/o any problem.

Please continue to think so.

post #68 of 239
Please continue to think so.

Thanks, I will! biggrin.gif
post #69 of 239

Dear Thinkspace ,

in the SQ category of pc audio players you are  2012 world champion.

 

Thank you.

post #70 of 239
Thread Starter 

Matthew Chauveau, please tell me your email, I send 2.4.5SP to you.beerchug.gif

post #71 of 239
To be fair, I gave JEP 2.4.4 another test drive, side-by-side with pkshan's Foobar variant XA400. Personally, I think there's a lot of potential in the minimalist approach to player design, which is one of the reasons I've been following pkshan's project. There's a possibility that standard Foobar's audio quality might be very slightly compromised by its Swiss Army knife approach -- but it's still a great player. The pkshan variant is a little weird by comparison, has a strange installation process, didn't previously support FLAC but now it does, doesn't have all the features of standard Foobar, no way to play around with VST plug-ins, etc. -- but I like it.

Test tracks, in WAV for JEP, both WAV and FLAC for the pkshan player, were Perfume's "Electro World" from their 2006 COMPLETE BEST album and "Rumble on the Docks" from Link Wray's SHADOWMAN album.

Results? IMO, not a heckuva lot of difference between the two players. I'm starting to think minimalist players are going to share a lot of the same virtues. There was maybe a little transient smear with the JEP player, which made crashing electrified chords sound a little crisper on the pkshan player -- but only by a teeny-tiny, hard-to-pin-down bit. I could listen to either one with pleasure -- but with the pkshan player, and a lot of other fine players such as uLilith and the KMPlayer/ReClock combo, I can listen to FLAC files instead of having to transcode everything over to WAV. If you prefer JEP to other players and you don't mind losing FLAC support -- well, different strokes for different folks.
post #72 of 239
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dradder View Post

To be fair, I gave JEP 2.4.4 another test drive, side-by-side with pkshan's Foobar variant XA400. Personally, I think there's a lot of potential in the minimalist approach to player design, which is one of the reasons I've been following pkshan's project. There's a possibility that standard Foobar's audio quality might be very slightly compromised by its Swiss Army knife approach -- but it's still a great player. The pkshan variant is a little weird by comparison, has a strange installation process, didn't previously support FLAC but now it does, doesn't have all the features of standard Foobar, no way to play around with VST plug-ins, etc. -- but I like it.
Test tracks, in WAV for JEP, both WAV and FLAC for the pkshan player, were Perfume's "Electro World" from their 2006 COMPLETE BEST album and "Rumble on the Docks" from Link Wray's SHADOWMAN album.
Results? IMO, not a heckuva lot of difference between the two players. I'm starting to think minimalist players are going to share a lot of the same virtues. There was maybe a little transient smear with the JEP player, which made crashing electrified chords sound a little crisper on the pkshan player -- but only by a teeny-tiny, hard-to-pin-down bit. I could listen to either one with pleasure -- but with the pkshan player, and a lot of other fine players such as uLilith and the KMPlayer/ReClock combo, I can listen to FLAC files instead of having to transcode everything over to WAV. If you prefer JEP to other players and you don't mind losing FLAC support -- well, different strokes for different folks.

 

I don't think there is any comparability.
 
JEP requires higher hardware requirements, make sure you meet:
  • Intel's second/third generation I series CPU
  • 8GB memory
  • SSD as the primary system disk
  • Windows 8 64bit OS
(This is the minimum requirement, rather than a full request)

On the low-end systems, perhaps another player has a better performance.
post #73 of 239
Met all the requirements you indicate, with the results that I noted. Look, it's a good little player, but there are other minimalist players floating around that are just as good or perhaps better. I can understand that you might not want to accept that, but it's the demonstrable truth. Deal with it.
post #74 of 239
Thread Starter 
As for which is better, it doesn't matter to me.
I will stick to my plan.
I no longer participate in similar discussions, too consuming my time.
post #75 of 239

to be fair 2.4.4 is a little warmer  and has slightly more bloom than 2.4.5, I will give pkshan's player a shot though.

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