FWIW, this was the first thread that I read when I joined Head-Fi about 3.5 years ago. I learned A LOT from reading it - super detailed and objective reviews, IMO. I still come back here from time-to-time, especially when folks are bashing the Sennheiser HD800 as compared to new HP products. Like today. I own the HD800 and love them, probably because I've got a decent upstream rig to drive them. I just like to read what David wrote so many years ago, about the HD800's, and which I still agree with to this day. FWIW and YMMV.