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Originally Posted by Hubert481 View Post

Please can anyone tell me the site, where you hear 2 tones and have to know, which one is higher?
I could not find it anymore in the last 3000 posts. Thank you! David also did test his ears on this site.
Just found it with gOOgle
http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/
post #3137 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Sorry to quote such a long post. but jumping from headphone to headphone in such a short period of time, is the absolute worst way to review anything. You need so spend atleast a few days with just 1 headphone and make your judgement, granted rubbish like beats is going to sound crap straight away, so disregard those peices of ****. 

 

 

While I agree somewhat, I wouldn't dismiss rapidly moving from headphone to headphone as irrelevant. You're basically cycling through many first impressions before audio memory/adjustment sets in. 

post #3138 of 5240
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Sorry to quote such a long post. but jumping from headphone to headphone in such a short period of time, is the absolute worst way to review anything. You need so spend atleast a few days with just 1 headphone and make your judgement, granted rubbish like beats is going to sound crap straight away, so disregard those peices of ****. 

 

But to use the two headphones I own......HD 650, and Alessandro MS-Pros. If I have change from the MS-Pros to the HD-650s, the 650's seem dull and boring....but If i listen to them for a few days they sound amazing, if I am listening to the HD-650s and switch to the MS-Pros they seems harsh and too bright, If you get where Im going here.........I love them both for different reasons, but switching from headphone to headphone is a not going to do you any favours. 

This is such an important point. The changing of contrasting sound sigs is always gonna give stark results and leave impressions both very positive or very negative. A/bing should only be done with headphones that have either been "improved" or are of a similar character imo. This is why people give negative impressions of e.g LCD2 or HD800. Because they don't give themselves time to adjust and become accustomed to the sound signature. Unless it really is a black and white case of preference towards dark or bright..

post #3139 of 5240

David, do you ever go to Head-Fi headphone meets? You might have mentioned it in one of your reviews but I forgot.

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Originally Posted by Tus-Chan View Post

David, do you ever go to Head-Fi headphone meets? You might have mentioned it in one of your reviews but I forgot.

yes, i have attended, but not recently:)

post #3141 of 5240
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post


its a-comin' :) I've been so backed up lately due to a lot of unexpected circumstances.

 

These are what's coming in the near future:
 

 

 

REVISIONS

LCD-3 (new drivers installed)


 

Please, what is the difference of this drivers?

post #3142 of 5240
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Originally Posted by alota View Post

Please, what is the difference of this drivers?

the new drivers both measure and sound brighter than my old ones, noticeably so, and I think revising the review to comment on both will be helpful

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Funny, didn't buy the lcd3 because it was not bright enough
post #3144 of 5240
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

the new drivers both measure and sound brighter than my old ones, noticeably so, and I think revising the review to comment on both will be helpful

no doubt. honestly, i can not more to follow all of these revisions

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I was under the impression that it's not a revision but rather a warranty replacement of the old drivers that turned out to also have some variation in the FR.

post #3146 of 5240
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Originally Posted by jazzerdave View Post

I was under the impression that it's not a revision but rather a warranty replacement of the old drivers that turned out to also have some variation in the FR.

This is correct! It's not a revision, but there may be a fairly significant margin of difference in drivers.  I like both variations, but the new one sounds slightly better my ears.  However, it's still a dark headphone in my opinion.  I don't want to allude to the idea that what was once a dark headphone is suddenly bright central:)

post #3147 of 5240

Ok, is not a revision but sound different...

post #3148 of 5240
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Originally Posted by fuzzyash View Post

i can answer some of the questios regarding KI237's setup he listened to (BBR in toronto im pretty sure)

all the headphones he tried (except the hd800 which were driven with a bryston amp) are driven from a peachtree hybrid amp (nova or decco?) with the tube buffer on

they are not SPL matched as ive noticed some are louder then others when set at one volume position, it seems like all 30 ish headphones are connected to the amp but im not quite how that works out power wise as the amp easily drove the senns to ear-splitting levels

i found that the tube added quite a bit of warmth to the headphones, especially compared to solid state amps, and notably with the grados

last thing- since the open headphones are situated in the middle of the shop, i found the listening to the headphones a bit dissapointing as it is usually noisy in the store, so you may want to try listening to the headpones at low traffic times- maybe in the morning

 

Thanks for taking care of that, was not familiar with the equipment. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Sorry to quote such a long post. but jumping from headphone to headphone in such a short period of time, is the absolute worst way to review anything. You need so spend atleast a few days with just 1 headphone and make your judgement, granted rubbish like beats is going to sound crap straight away, so disregard those peices of ****. 

 

But to use the two headphones I own......HD 650, and Alessandro MS-Pros. If I have change from the MS-Pros to the HD-650s, the 650's seem dull and boring....but If i listen to them for a few days they sound amazing, if I am listening to the HD-650s and switch to the MS-Pros they seems harsh and too bright, If you get where Im going here.........I love them both for different reasons, but switching from headphone to headphone is a not going to do you any favours. 

 

I hear you. I can tell preferences of headphones changed depending on how long and frequently you would use them. I did note the HD700s you could use for hours on end, whereas I was afraid with the RS1 and 325iS in particular that fatiguing may set in after an hour, the PS500 were slightly less fatiguing than those, but still quite  possible. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

See, but for me the HD650 is a wonderful rock headphone, one of my favorites for rock.... so it shows again that perception is everything.

 

Thanks! Your initial comparison and suggestions have helped me narrow my choices down quite a bit. I listened to the HE400 and HE500 as well which I will add to this "rookie" review in a minute. 


Edited by kl237 - 3/17/13 at 9:32am
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So, I have added the HE400 and HE500 to this list after having a long listen to both. Everything is in bold that is new. 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: Opinions from a non-audiophile, this review is reflective of my personal tastes which is different from everyone else's. 

 

So I went to the high end audio shop and tested out these headphones, all connected to a high quality amp simultaneously so you can easily switch between headphones instantaneously. I tested them out with alternative/classic/modern rock, and hip hop on a number of songs. There were about 20 other headphones but I wasn't interested in listening to them. 

 

Sennheiser HD650

Sennheiser HD700

Sennheiser HD800

Sennheiser HD598

Sennheiser HD280

AKG Q701 Quincy Jones

Beats by Dre

Beats by Dre Pro

Grado PS1000

Grado PS500

Grado GS1000

Grado RS2i

Grado RS325is

Hifiman HE500

Hifiman HE400

 

This is the order I liked them in: 

 

PS500

HD700/800

------------------------ (this signifies moderate jump in how much I liked the headphones).

HE500

------------------------ (this signifies moderate jump in how much I liked the headphones).

RS2i

HE400

RS325is

PS1000 

GS1000

HD650

HD598

Q701

Beats

 

 

There's two profound things that I gathered after listening: 1. The grado PS500/RS2/325is clarity of treble/highs is ridiculously good by a large margin compared to the rest. 2. The HD700/800 vocals sound like the person singing is standing right there next to you. 

 

So this is what I realized: Music is about how it makes you feel. I didn't enjoy listening to music from the HD650s any more than I would listening to regular iPhone buds even though everyone loves them here. I just think they sound plain and boring. I have no idea how else to describe it. I understand now what people say when they mean the sound is "fun". The Grado PS500s were on a completely different level than all the other ones mentioned. Even compared to the RS2/PS1000 I felt they were very entertaining. The details on the highs and how you can hear every little guitar lick was incredible, plus the lows really captured that "warm room filling sound" I was looking for. I feel that the PS500's blew everything else minus the HD700/800s out of the water. On the flip side, the HD700/800s realistic sounding voices felt like you were standing in the recording studio. However, I noticed the highs were muffled and muted. The highs didn't sound anything like the PS500s and it felt there was a good chunk of music missing that the Grados were playing.

 

I found quite a bit of difference between the HE500s and 400s. It sounded as if the 500s had a much fuller sound, and was a substantial upgrade to the 400s. I now know why David stated that he would never recommend the 400s as a sole headphone, whereas he would feel comfortable with the HE500s. It was a more pleasing "complete" sound. I felt the sound of the 400s was somewhat 'empty' and not gratifying to listen to, I much preferred the RS2s (crisp, clean sounding), and significantly more, the HE500s --they did not give off that impression at all. Very different headphones.  

 

I found the HD650s and HD598 had a very similar sound, but it was not one that I liked, it was kind of dull and boring. I don't know how to describe it. The Q701 sounded thin which I did not like. The Beats were horrible --I thought people here were over exaggerating to prove a point, but they really are junk. 325iS sounded like the bass was missing, I did not like that. The PS1000 I disliked a lot, I'd rather have the 325iS over these --they sounded so different compared to the other Grados (it's as if an entirely different company made them). RS2s were great, just wish they had more low end like the PS500s, otherwise similar sounding, but much less bass.

 

 

CONCLUSION: At $650 the PS500s I felt were the best, the only concern I had was that the sound was too bright, and that anything over an hour of listening would start to become tiring. The HD700s at $1100 were the second best, but I didn't like that the highs are completely missing that the Grados had, but I now understand what "flat" means when referring to sound. Also, I understand why you can listen to music for hours on these whereas you can't on the PS500s.

 

VERDICT: Why would I consider buying anything else than the PS500? I can use all of these headphones at home, however the rest of these headphones are too big to walk with outside, and require an amp. Whereas the PS500s can be taken anywhere, hooked up to my iphone, and I won't look silly walking around with them with an amp in my pants. lol

 


QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE HERE:

 

1. Can you guys point out which headphones have a very similar sound to the PS500s? DON'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION if you haven't heard the PS500s. The RS2/325/PS1000 don't sound like this headphone and you wouldn't understand what I mean if you haven't listened to it. 

 

2. If I could create the "perfect" headphones for MYSELF, I would take the PS500, add the vocal quality from the HD700, and turn down the treble just a tad. Does a headphone out there exist like this?????

 

3. Any advice/tips of which headphones I should listen to before I commit to buying a pair? This will be my only pair of headphones, and I plan on keeping these headphones until they break (which means over 10 years).

 

 

Thanks again guys for the help. Don't take any negative comments I made above personally because I'm just a beginner with a very particular preference of sound. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE!!!!!

 

I look forward to hearing what recommendations you guys have or advice/tips. I plan on giving the Hifiman HE400/HE500s a listen tomorrow at another store since David recommended them. 

 

 

Having spent a few hours listening to all these headphones, I would suggest that buying any pair of headphones before listening and comparing them with others would be ridiculous. Reading through online reviews may be misleading especially when everyone here listens to different types of music. It would be ridiculous to buy a Grado 325iS for rap music for example, but great for classical. With that said, I think I've narrowed down my purchasing decision to a PS500. I like the 'metal' look it has, I tried it with my iphone with no amp and it sounded great, and felt really light on the head especially compared to the HE500s. I'll admit the HD700/800 has a sound that I would imagine lots of people would love, it's just so neutral and natural sounding --but at over $1000 I feel much more comfortable with the $600 PS500s. 

 

Does anyone know where I can buy the the PS500 headphones at a discount in Toronto? I may also possibly consider a used RS2 if the price difference is big.

 

Thanks for reading, go easy on me (so far you guys have been understanding), as I don't have a trained ear for sound!! :))))


Edited by kl237 - 3/17/13 at 9:39am
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Hello David,

 

I recommend you the SRM600LTD or another tube amp with the HE60, better synergy than the KGSS that can present harsh treble.

 

Actually yy personnal ranking is :

 

1 HE60 - SRM600LTD
2 HD800 - Super 7
3 Lambda Nova Signature - SRM600LTD
4 SR007 - KGSS

 

Try the Lambda Nova Signature, it is a SR507 without that cold behavior.

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