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post #961 of 4947

No, HE400 are much more efficient.. HE500 probably won't sound much on a portable such as leckerton..

post #962 of 4947

For the HE-500, PB2 (Balanced) or Headstage Arrow 4G (SE) perhaps?

post #963 of 4947
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

What does "glare" mean actually in terms of sound?

Well, if you imagine glare on a window from the sun and you can't see clearly because your eyes are squinting. cool.gifThe upper frequencies if they have "glare" is similar. Theres an extra artificial "sheen" which can be annoying. This is normally cause by irregular peaks. Makes your ears squint! IMO the HE500's have a little bit "glare" but the LCD2.2 don't.

 

(don't ask me what "sheen" means in audio terms ksc75smile.gif)

post #964 of 4947
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Well, if you imagine glare on a window from the sun and you can't see clearly because your eyes are squinting. cool.gifThe upper frequencies if they have "glare" is similar. Theres an extra artificial "sheen" which can be annoying. This is normally cause by irregular peaks. Makes your ears squint! IMO the HE500's have a little bit "glare" but the LCD2.2 don't.

 

(don't ask me what "sheen" means in audio terms ksc75smile.gif)

 

Glare in upper mids is a completely nonsense with LCD-2... You can even see a graph for every particular phone, this is a strong advantage of Audezes! The bass and mids is the best you can get in terms of neutrality! LCD-3 could possibly have a better detail or some sort of clever resonance in order to achieve more enjoyable experience but so far I haven't seen a graph of LCD-3 with more neutral mids and bass than you will get with LCD-2!

 

A glare in frequencies around 10 khz is maybe hearable for someone's ears with LCD-2 rev2 but they are for sure nowhere near HE-500 in terms of stronger emphasis on treble than ideal (not saying HE-500 are bad in any way, actually they are the second best phones up to 1000USD IMHO). :-)


Edited by MHOE - 11/16/12 at 12:12pm
post #965 of 4947
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Originally Posted by zachchen1996 View Post

the he-500 probably wont sound as good out of a portable amp like the uha-6s mkii as would a he-400 out of a portable amp right? Trying to decide between getting a he400 or he500 to use with my uha-6s mkii.

I had he300, he400 and now 500..and to be honest..the best phone to be driving directly from a light amp would be the he400 followed by the he300...for he500 u need at least 1watt rms per channel...and better to have 2-3 rms...thats what headdirect told me in a reply by mail..and also what my ears confirmed to me in person:D
post #966 of 4947
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

Glare in upper mids is a completely nonsense with LCD-2... You can even see a graph for every particular phone, this is a strong advantage of Audezes! The bass and mids is the best you can get in terms of neutrality! LCD-3 could possibly have a better detail or some sort of clever resonance in order to achieve more enjoyable experience but so far I haven't seen a graph of LCD-3 with more neutral mids and bass than you will get with LCD-2!

 

A glare in frequencies around 10 khz is maybe hearable for someone's ears with LCD-2 but they are for sure nowhere near HE-500 in terms of stronger emphasis than ideal (not saying HE-500 are bad in any way, actually they are the second best phones up to 1000USD IMHO). :-)

Absolutely agree.

post #967 of 4947

Headstage arrow not so much

 

iBasso sure does :)

post #968 of 4947
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Absolutely agree.

 

Thanks, it helps to see at least someone understand my point of view as I am trying to be as objective as possible here to not confuse other people with my personal feelings that do not apply to everyone... Both HE-500 and LCD-2 rev2 are extremely great phones in terms of neutrality and value for your money!

 

I see in your signature you own both headphones...? - Can you compare the bass on both phones to each other in terms of neutrality/natural feeling? You can add anything on both phones' sound if you feel it is worth mentioning!

post #969 of 4947
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

Thanks, it helps to see at least someone understand my point of view as I am trying to be as objective as possible here to not confuse other people with my personal feelings that do not apply to everyone... Both HE-500 and LCD-2 rev2 are extremely great phones in terms of neutrality and value for your money!

 

I see in your signature you own both headphones...? - Can you compare the bass on both phones to each other in terms of neutrality/natural feeling? You can add anything on both phones' sound if you feel it is worth mentioning!

I appreciate your view because you are straight talking and don't try to be an expert. I'm no expert by the way, just trying to be honest as well because I love this hobby and ive been in it for along time.

 

Anyways, regarding the bass on both HE500/LCD2.2 Although the bass on the hifimans is very enjoyable, and by that I mean it has oomph, power and extents satifyingly low. It can be a bit loose, and a little detached.  Because of this you notice it creeping onto the mids. I don't have high end amplifiers so that may be a factor. Although the price of the HE500 should reflect what amps it should be married with and mid price ones should be perfectly adequate.

The LCD2's bass is just right for me, it's deep and natural (not as much quantity as he500) and blends perfectly flowing into the mids without any problems at all. The whole sound is very cohesive, theres no bass- mid -treb, just one whole sound. And that for me is the beauty of these cans and something that I've not heard before. Nearly with the 650's, but they had the infamous mid bass humb.

 

You could say I'm very happy with Audeze!

post #970 of 4947
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I appreciate your view because you are straight talking and don't try to be an expert. I'm no expert by the way, just trying to be honest as well because I love this hobby and ive been in it for along time.

 

Anyways, regarding the bass on both HE500/LCD2.2 Although the bass on the hifimans is very enjoyable, and by that I mean it has oomph, power and extents satifyingly low. It can be a bit loose, and a little detached.  Because of this you notice it creeping onto the mids. I don't have high end amplifiers so that may be a factor. Although the price of the HE500 should reflect what amps it should be married with and mid price ones should be perfectly adequate.

The LCD2's bass is just right for me, it's deep and natural (not as much quantity as he500) and blends perfectly flowing into the mids without any problems at all. The whole sound is very cohesive, theres no bass- mid -treb, just one whole sound. And that for me is the beauty of these cans and something that I've not heard before. Nearly with the 650's, but they had the infamous mid bass humb.

 

You could say I'm very happy with Audeze!

 

Well, at least I am not trying to be an expert in areas where I have no idea what I am talking about... smily_headphones1.gif

 

In terms of amplifiers and DACs, I just own O2 w/ ODAC with an option to switch gain resistors to any value from 1x to 12x so I basically have neutral and still extremely versatile amp/DAC for powering different phones to my satisfaction. It has been proved by measurements that both O2 and ODAC are extremely valuable for their money and outperforms many many of pricier units... Even Tyll from innerfidelity claims it as a top performer. So this is all I need and have no plans for buying anything else here.

 

Thank you for the info about bass and its cooperation with mids... I think HD650 are very very nice as well - the emphasis is for sure present but I am still quite sad they are not closed - I would buy them for sure to have more confy and isolating pair, along with LCD-2 rev2 for pure performance!

 

Both HE-500 and LCD-2rev2 are extremely nice phones for every kind of application (in terms of how they sound) and this has been proved by measurements. Everyone who is reading this and would like to own just a one pair of headphones for everything for up to 1000USD, I would strongly recommend one of those two. There are for sure differences from their measurements and I am willing to talk about them if anyone is interested... But basically both perform excellently!


Edited by MHOE - 11/16/12 at 1:06pm
post #971 of 4947
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

Well, at least I am not trying to be an expert in areas where I have no idea what I am talking about... smily_headphones1.gif

 

In terms of amplifiers and DACs, I just own O2 w/ ODAC with an option to switch gain resistors to any value from 1x to 12x so I basically have neutral and still extremely versatile amp/DAC for powering different phones to my satisfaction. It has been proved by measurements that both O2 and ODAC are extremely valuable for their money and outperforms many many of pricier units... Even Tyll from innerfidelity claims it as a top performer. So this is all I need and have no plans for buying anything else here.

 

Thank you for the info about bass and their cooperation with mids... I think HD650 are very very nice as well - the emphasis is for sure present but I am still quite sad they are not closed - I would buy them for sure to have more confy and isolating pair, along with LCD-2 rev2 for pure performance!

 

Both HE-500 and LCD-2rev2 are extremely nice phones for every kind of application and it has been proved by measurements. Everyone who is reading this and would like to own just a one pair of headphones for everything for up to 1000USD, I would strongly recommend one of those two. There are for sure differences from their measurements and I am willing to talk about them if anyone is interested... But basically both perform excellently!

 

I'm in the market for one of the two. Which is more comfortable for long listening sessions?

 

Schiit Bifrost -> Lyr - > HE-500 is what I'm looking at right now.

post #972 of 4947

Yup. The LCD2 or HE500 is the way to go if you want the best. At least before it gets to silly money. And they don't need super power or high-end amps to sound great.

 

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post #973 of 4947
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Originally Posted by inanevoyage View Post

 

I'm in the market for one of the two. Which is more comfortable for long listening sessions?

 

Schiit Bifrost -> Lyr - > HE-500 is what I'm looking at right now.

 

I am not able to speak objectively here... And I think no one is as everyone is going to feel differently with both of them.

 

But from what I have read so far, Audeze LCD-2 rev2 (newest version with angled connectors at best) should be better in terms of comfort. It has revised pads, headband and you can get bamboo version with slightly lower weight. The HE500 headband is problematic as it is quite wide for smaller heads and not very comfortable (from discussions here on head-fi, needs to be confirmed from someone who owns them).


Edited by MHOE - 11/16/12 at 1:13pm
post #974 of 4947
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Yup. The LCD2 or HE500 is the way to go if you want the best. At least before it gets to silly money. And they don't need super power or high-end amps to sound great.

 

beerchug.gif  

 

It has to be mentioned that LCD-2 is going to work great even with cheaper amps... Don't believe people that they are extremely difficult to drive properly etc. You just need a neutral sounding amp (no bass emphasis) and rather more current (majority of portable amps are not going to work great I suspect).


Edited by MHOE - 11/16/12 at 1:17pm
post #975 of 4947
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Originally Posted by inanevoyage View Post

 

I'm in the market for one of the two. Which is more comfortable for long listening sessions?

 

Schiit Bifrost -> Lyr - > HE-500 is what I'm looking at right now.

There are conflicting opinions regarding comfort with these two. I find the HE500's more comfortable for long listening sessions with the velour pads. The leather pads on the Audeze can make your ears sweat and if you listen lying down with cushion or pillow, the clamp pressure can be uncomfortable. Both are quite heavy but it didn't take me long to adjust to them.

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