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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post


Not rich,  I just choose to spend my $$ on this instead of vacations, watches, new cars, etc., and my wife is pretty frugal too.
I get u..but ur wife..wow..my lady would kill me if i bought an amp of that value..haha ur lucky..i even had to lie about the prices i spent on the rig i have now.biggrin.gif good that she doesnt get on headfi.. redface.gif
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In case anyone cares, after trying many, many phones (R10s included -- bass lights, now sold),

these are my favorites that I use all the time, in no particular order (as they all have their strengths, and I honestly love them all for their natural tonality and total lack of fatigue almost all the time):

 

Favorites in no particular order:

Hifiman HE500s (great bass, staging, depth, layering, sweet but extended highs, heals bad recordings turning cotton into gold).

Stax 009s (great detail, texture, best on well-recorded non-digitally-abrasive non-glary CDs, using Stax 007t/ii amp).

Fostex TH900s (Dynamics, excitement, great with over-emphasized-upper-midrange CDs, great upper-bass and brings power and life to weak-sounding CDs).

ATH W3000ANVs (Natural rounded vocals full-sized with wonderful texture and feel, not boring, well integrated bass and highs ,

  some comfort issues but solved about 80%).

Audeze LCD3s (Deep resonant bass, feeling of power and depth, realistic placement of vocals and instruments front to back).

 

Honorable Mention, cannot say I love these but I like them sort of:

HD800 (sometimes abrasive in the upper mids/highs),

Denon D7000s (need to be careful to avoid CDs with too much bass or glare,

  otherwise nice, don't really use, will probably sell),

LCD2 Rev2 (some glare in upper mids while highs are shelved down, don't use really).

Grado RS1s (use for TV only or casual listening; super comfortable and light with flat pads).

 

And, just for completeness:

Sold (or planning to sell) because I don't like them to varying degrees:

Senn HD600s, HD650s; Beyer T1s,880s, 990s;  Grado PS1000s, GS1000s,  JVC-DX1000s;  ATH W5000s; Audeze LCD2 Rev1s; Ultrasone Ed.8s; 

Stax SR007s first version (mainly for comfort problems), Stax Lambdas (also comfort problems).


Edited by rgs9200m - 11/16/12 at 9:55am
post #948 of 4981
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

In case anyone cares, after trying many, many phones (R10s included -- bass lights, now sold),

these are my favorites that I use all the time, in no particular order (as they all have their strengths, and I honestly love them all for their natural tonality and total lack of fatigue almost all the time):

 

Hifiman HE500s (great bass, staging, depth, layering, sweet but extended highs, heals bad recordings turning cotton into gold).

Stax 009s (great detail, texture, best on well-recorded non-digitally-abrasive non-glary CDs, using Stax 007t/ii amp).

Fostex TH900s (Dynamics, excitement, great with over-emphasized-upper-midrange CDs, great upper-bass and brings power and life to weak-sounding CDs).

ATH W3000ANVs (Natural rounded vocals full-sized with wonderful texture and feel, not boring, well integrated bass and highs ,

  some comfort issues but solved about 80%).

Audeze LCD3s (Deep resonant bass, feeling of power and depth, realistic placement of vocals and instruments front to back).

 

Honorable Mention: HD800 (sometimes abrasive in the upper mids/highs), Denon D7000s (need to be careful to avoid CDs with too much bass or glare,

otherwise nice, don't really use, will probably sell),

LCD2 Rev2 (some glare in upper mids while highs are shelved down, don't use really).

Grado RS1s (use for TV only or casual listening; super comfortable and light with flat pads) ;

 

Sold (or planning to sell) because I don't like them to varying degrees:

Senn HD600s, HD650s; Beyer T1s,880s, 990s;  Grado PS1000s, GS1000s,  JVC-DX1000s;  ATH W5000s; Audeze LCD2 Rev1s; Ultrasone Ed.8s; 

Stax SR007s first version (mainly for comfort problems), Stax Lambdas (also comfort problems).

 

What do you mean by "glare" exactly? Also you could add a note about amplifiers you have used in order to assess those phones...

 

Also, honoring TH900 rather boomy signature with highly shelved mids and highs over near-to-neutral LCD2 or HD800? Interesting point of view. Also, the bass with D7000 is not stronger than with TH900... There is a resonance somewhere in the area of 100 - 150 Hz but that's all - and the resonance in reality is quite enjoyable, it makes the bass sound more exciting.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FostexTH900.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7000.pdf

 

(there is a measurement of 2012 version of D7000 but I've got my pair at the end of 2011 and the sound was still a lot more identical to the older measurement)


Edited by MHOE - 11/16/12 at 10:09am
post #949 of 4981
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

In case anyone cares, after trying many, many phones (R10s included -- bass lights, now sold),

these are my favorites that I use all the time, in no particular order (as they all have their strengths, and I honestly love them all for their natural tonality and total lack of fatigue almost all the time):

 

Favorites in no particular order:

Hifiman HE500s (great bass, staging, depth, layering, sweet but extended highs, heals bad recordings turning cotton into gold).

Stax 009s (great detail, texture, best on well-recorded non-digitally-abrasive non-glary CDs, using Stax 007t/ii amp).

Fostex TH900s (Dynamics, excitement, great with over-emphasized-upper-midrange CDs, great upper-bass and brings power and life to weak-sounding CDs).

ATH W3000ANVs (Natural rounded vocals full-sized with wonderful texture and feel, not boring, well integrated bass and highs ,

  some comfort issues but solved about 80%).

Audeze LCD3s (Deep resonant bass, feeling of power and depth, realistic placement of vocals and instruments front to back).

 

Honorable Mention, cannot say I love these but I like them sort of:

HD800 (sometimes abrasive in the upper mids/highs),

Denon D7000s (need to be careful to avoid CDs with too much bass or glare,

  otherwise nice, don't really use, will probably sell),

LCD2 Rev2 (some glare in upper mids while highs are shelved down, don't use really).

Grado RS1s (use for TV only or casual listening; super comfortable and light with flat pads).

 

And, just for completeness:

Sold (or planning to sell) because I don't like them to varying degrees:

Senn HD600s, HD650s; Beyer T1s,880s, 990s;  Grado PS1000s, GS1000s,  JVC-DX1000s;  ATH W5000s; Audeze LCD2 Rev1s; Ultrasone Ed.8s; 

Stax SR007s first version (mainly for comfort problems), Stax Lambdas (also comfort problems).

 

If you love the HE-500, perhaps you can give the HE-5LE a shot as well... You might even like em better...

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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

In case anyone cares, after trying many, many phones (R10s included -- bass lights, now sold),

these are my favorites that I use all the time, in no particular order (as they all have their strengths, and I honestly love them all for their natural tonality and total lack of fatigue almost all the time):

 

Favorites in no particular order:

Hifiman HE500s (great bass, staging, depth, layering, sweet but extended highs, heals bad recordings turning cotton into gold).

Stax 009s (great detail, texture, best on well-recorded non-digitally-abrasive non-glary CDs, using Stax 007t/ii amp).

Fostex TH900s (Dynamics, excitement, great with over-emphasized-upper-midrange CDs, great upper-bass and brings power and life to weak-sounding CDs).

ATH W3000ANVs (Natural rounded vocals full-sized with wonderful texture and feel, not boring, well integrated bass and highs ,

  some comfort issues but solved about 80%).

Audeze LCD3s (Deep resonant bass, feeling of power and depth, realistic placement of vocals and instruments front to back).

 

Honorable Mention, cannot say I love these but I like them sort of:

HD800 (sometimes abrasive in the upper mids/highs),

Denon D7000s (need to be careful to avoid CDs with too much bass or glare,

  otherwise nice, don't really use, will probably sell),

LCD2 Rev2 (some glare in upper mids while highs are shelved down, don't use really).

Grado RS1s (use for TV only or casual listening; super comfortable and light with flat pads).

 

And, just for completeness:

Sold (or planning to sell) because I don't like them to varying degrees:

Senn HD600s, HD650s; Beyer T1s,880s, 990s;  Grado PS1000s, GS1000s,  JVC-DX1000s;  ATH W5000s; Audeze LCD2 Rev1s; Ultrasone Ed.8s; 

Stax SR007s first version (mainly for comfort problems), Stax Lambdas (also comfort problems).

Nice list!! Do you know if you had the bass light or bass heavy R10s?

post #951 of 4981
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Originally Posted by Terja View Post

... Have you tried the Hifiman HE-500 in balanced mode? I'm still trying to figure out how much of a gap exists between an HE-500 and HE-6 with both played in balanced mode with an HE-6 capable amp. With that comparative background would you still consider the move to an HE-6 a significant upgrade. I'm speaking strictly of sound quality.

 

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Yes I have, although with a different amp than the one which I pair with the HE-6.  The reason is that the HE-6 needs a lot more power.

 

I think the HE-6 is an upgrade sonically even when the HE-500 is paired in balanced mode.  How much of an upgrade I'm not sure.  The HE-6 is almost like more transparent version of the HE-500,  They are not all that dissimilar.

 

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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

I run my HE-500s balanced (Moon Silver Dragon/Furutech Rhodium XLR connectors). Awesome: natural, transparent controlled bass, sweet/extended highs, no fatigue, no piercing upper mids, lots of space and depth and layering, resonant piano. I wouldn't change a thing. I would think these were super-expensive phones if I didn't know better. I have no personal anxiety that the HE6s might be better, as I am amazed with the 500s. Ignore the low price and try these with a good headphone amp.

The HE500s may be the greatest bargain in the audio world ever. I used to own R10s, I have 009s, and the sound I get from the HE500s is on par with these.

And thanks David, as it was your write-up that got me to try them.

 

Thanks for the replies. I am really super-impressed with the HE-500. I fortunately live close to a 'try before you buy' headphone shop and have had the pleasure of trying various headphones including the Sennheiser HD800, Audeze LCD3 and LCD2 Rev2. The HD800 were too airy for me as I prefer a more full-bodied sound (the HE-500 excels at this). I found the LCD3 very detailed and somewhat analytical and to some extent unforgiving (like listening to a math lesson rather than music - I guess I mean I found myself listening to how well the details were being represented rather than the music). On the other hand, the LCD2s paired with the Schiit Lyr was a fantastic combination! When the Schiit Lyr was paired with the Hifiman HE-500 the amp didn't really do much to wake the headphone up and get it going, in my view nowhere near enough power via the TRS end. In fact it is almost universally true that the HE-500s sound nowhere near as good played via the TRS end rather than with a four pin XLR cable (regardless of the amp used). I've used various amps (mostly vintage and mid-fi) and have found this true. Right now I have the HE-500s hooked up to a 1988 Proton AM-200 integrated amp via speaker taps and I am simply wowed! This amp (20 watt per channel at 8ohm) has a very clean background. I like the fact that I can stop the music and hear absolutely nothing, a critical quality when hooking headphones via speaker taps. When fed the kind of power the Proton puts out the HE-500s really leap for joy and start dancing rolleyes.gif! I would like to try the HE-6 simply because the HE-500s are so good. That's kind of a circular complement I guess.

post #952 of 4981

About my R10s I used to have for a few years: They were a couple of bass light pairs at different times.

Too fatiguing for me. Nice layering. A little, I don't know, glassy, like cut-glass image boundaries, but strangely also nice texture and realism.

I just could not get a handle on them, don't know why. The bass sounded like "bloop,bloop,bloop." This was with 3 different pairs I heard with different amps/sources.

The bass reminded me of Quad ESL speakers. In fact, the R10s as a whole reminded me of the Quads, with amazing realism in a small space,

but with some treble spikes that I don't hear in the Quads.

Just a little weird overall, maybe an acquired taste. I spent a lot of time with them, but came back to more conventional sounding phones after my affair with them.

They sounded like an interesting, maybe groundbreaking in some ways, scientific experiment in sound reproduction.


Edited by rgs9200m - 11/16/12 at 10:43am
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Thanks so much!

post #954 of 4981

Great list rgs200m, have you ever fancied the HE90?

 

Also the mention of "glare" with the LCD2.2...confused_face_2.gif weird man!  I can see why you like the HE500's though. They are special.

post #955 of 4981
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Great list rgs200m, have you ever fancied the HE90?

 

Also the mention of "glare" with the LCD2.2...confused_face_2.gif weird man!  I can see why you like the HE500's though. They are special.

 

What does "glare" mean actually in terms of sound?

post #956 of 4981
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Great list rgs200m, have you ever fancied the HE90?

 

Also the mention of "glare" with the LCD2.2...confused_face_2.gif weird man!  I can see why you like the HE500's though. For the price, they are very very special.

 

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post #957 of 4981
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

In case anyone cares, after trying many, many phones (R10s included -- bass lights, now sold),
these are my favorites that I use all the time, in no particular order (as they all have their strengths, and I honestly love them all for their natural tonality and total lack of fatigue almost all the time):

Favorites in no particular order:
Hifiman HE500s (great bass, staging, depth, layering, sweet but extended highs, heals bad recordings turning cotton into gold).
Stax 009s (great detail, texture, best on well-recorded non-digitally-abrasive non-glary CDs, using Stax 007t/ii amp).
Fostex TH900s (Dynamics, excitement, great with over-emphasized-upper-midrange CDs, great upper-bass and brings power and life to weak-sounding CDs).
ATH W3000ANVs (Natural rounded vocals full-sized with wonderful texture and feel, not boring, well integrated bass and highs ,
  some comfort issues but solved about 80%).
Audeze LCD3s (Deep resonant bass, feeling of power and depth, realistic placement of vocals and instruments front to back).

Honorable Mention, cannot say I love these but I like them sort of:
HD800 (sometimes abrasive in the upper mids/highs),
Denon D7000s (need to be careful to avoid CDs with too much bass or glare,
  otherwise nice, don't really use, will probably sell),
LCD2 Rev2 (some glare in upper mids while highs are shelved down, don't use really).
Grado RS1s (use for TV only or casual listening; super comfortable and light with flat pads).

And, just for completeness:
Sold (or planning to sell) because I don't like them to varying degrees:
Senn HD600s, HD650s; Beyer T1s,880s, 990s;  Grado PS1000s, GS1000s,  JVC-DX1000s;  ATH W5000s; Audeze LCD2 Rev1s; Ultrasone Ed.8s; 
Stax SR007s first version (mainly for comfort problems), Stax Lambdas (also comfort problems).
Wow..what u said bout he500..thats exactly how i would explain it..but somehow..mines hate recordings under 320...it then just sounds reaaly bad..muddy..but it can also be because of my amp hating those..hahahaha biggrin.gif
post #958 of 4981
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Originally Posted by Terja View Post



Thanks for the replies. I am really super-impressed with the HE-500. I fortunately live close to a 'try before you buy' headphone shop and have had the pleasure of trying various headphones including the Sennheiser HD800, Audeze LCD3 and LCD2 Rev2. The HD800 were too airy for me as I prefer a more full-bodied sound (the HE-500 excels at this). I found the LCD3 very detailed and somewhat analytical and to some extent unforgiving (like listening to a math lesson rather than music - I guess I mean I found myself listening to how well the details were being represented rather than the music). On the other hand, the LCD2s paired with the Schiit Lyr was a fantastic combination! When the Schiit Lyr was paired with the Hifiman HE-500 the amp didn't really do much to wake the headphone up and get it going, in my view nowhere near enough power via the TRS end. In fact it is almost universally true that the HE-500s sound nowhere near as good played via the TRS end rather than with a four pin XLR cable (regardless of the amp used). I've used various amps (mostly vintage and mid-fi) and have found this true. Right now I have the HE-500s hooked up to a 1988 Proton AM-200 integrated amp via speaker taps and I am simply wowed! This amp (20 watt per channel at 8ohm) has a very clean background. I like the fact that I can stop the music and hear absolutely nothing, a critical quality when hooking headphones via speaker taps. When fed the kind of power the Proton puts out the HE-500s really leap for joy and start dancing rolleyes.gif ! I would like to try the HE-6 simply because the HE-500s are so good. That's kind of a circular complement I guess.

Funny..what u just said i also have with my modded 337 and my he500....background is pitchblack..as if ur in a void when the music is between pauzes..scary! biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/16/12 at 11:18am
post #959 of 4981
the he-500 probably wont sound as good out of a portable amp like the uha-6s mkii as would a he-400 out of a portable amp right? Trying to decide between getting a he400 or he500 to use with my uha-6s mkii.
post #960 of 4981

Someone get David some HE-400's I wanna hear what he has to say about them!

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