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post #781 of 4917

What is considered to be the fave aftermarket cable for the LCD-3?

 

I know I will always be wondering "what if" if I get the 2 instead of 3

 

Is there a consensus?


Edited by Soned - 11/11/12 at 11:15pm
post #782 of 4917
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Originally Posted by Soned View Post

What is considered to be the fave aftermarket cable for the LCD-3?

 

I know I will always be wondering "what if" if I get the 2 instead of 3

 

Is there a consensus?

I currently use cardas clear cable and norse audio skuld 8 wires

 

Cardas is better at treble (more sparkling high), a little better holographic like soundstage.

 

Skuld 8 wires is better at deep bass (cardas has roll off deep bass), better dynamic (cardas is a bottle neck at dynamic and deep bass roll off), skuld has sweeter mid.

 

I recommend Skuld 8 wires over Cardas clear cable.

 

Regard to which headphone to choose....LCD3 is a lot better than LCD2 (LCD2 is too slow, narrow soundstage, too much dark, too much recessed high)


Edited by chirawatf - 11/12/12 at 12:31am
post #783 of 4917
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Originally Posted by Soned View Post

What is considered to be the fave aftermarket cable for the LCD-3?

I know I will always be wondering "what if" if I get the 2 instead of 3

Is there a consensus?


there are threads that cover both the topics of aftermarket cabling for audezes as well as comparisons & pros & cons of lcd 2 vs 3.

search and (with a little luck) ye shall find.  ;-)

post #784 of 4917
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

To most people, the lcd-3 is just a slight upgrade, but to me, the fact that it almost nails a more balanced sound while keeping a warmish tone with a natural frequency response makes them much more impressive than the lcd-2. Sometimes the little things really make a big difference. Yes, the lcd-3 are still on the warmer side of things, and don't really compete with the HE-6 or HD800 in terms of resolution and soundstaging; but they are very forgiving, and oftentimes portray more vocal emotion and sub-like bass without over-doing it (something the lcd-2's do too often with their more prominent bass)

 

To my ear, the lcd-2 sound a bit too boxed in, kind of like a night club's sound system (something that I am very used to). The lcd-3 open up and have more depth, which really help me appreciate the music more. It may not have the same openess as the HE-6 (properly amped) and HD-800's which are significantly airier, recreating the concert hall or recording studio more accurately; but it's pretty darn good. The lcd-3 makes up for it with it's smooth sound/lushness and emotion, and the bass and lower mids are a bit more forward bringing out vocals and good amounts of detail from the lower registers; but not overwhelmingly so.

 

Now if were to price current planars, it would go like this LCD-3 1300$, HE-6 - 1200$ (not the same quality in materials), LCD-2 - 750$ and HE-500 - 700$ (best value flagship in my opinion as well)

 

I see... Wonder how SIGNIFICANT would any changes in terms of fidelity really be if you set both headphones to the same frequency response across the whole frequency spectrum.

 

In majority of cases I have seen graphs looking like this:

 

LCD-3

 

 

 

 

LCD-2 rev2 (mine also looks like this)

 

 

 

I have seen at least five LCD-3 graphs with very similarly emphasised bass along with inconsistency in lowest areas along with increased dB from 10 khz. This is for sure going to make a difference in bass perception (tighter, clearer) along with "airy feeling" or increased soundstage (emphasis on treble around 10 khz). However, as bass frequencies are the most difficult to EQ, I would take LCD-2's graphs anytime over LCD-3's (treble is very easy to adjust).

 

I haven't heard LCD-3 and for sure every graph looks different but those patterns are really common for both headphones, at least from what I have seen so far... You can simply google for proof. To me, the majority of those improvements sounds like adjusting frequency response a bit, nothing more... Even though I believe there are some truly related to upgraded technology,  paying 1000USD extra only for this? Not really in my case.

 

But if you already own LCD-3 and do not need to spend money on something better in terms of real value, I congrats to you for having a pair of for sure incredible headphones :-)

 

Just to add - I agree HE-500 are stunning for their price... I decided for LCD-2 rev2 (over hifimans) because of their absolutely flat bass, frequency response measurement, better build quality (at least from what I have read so far) and their nice customer service... And also because I wanted to own Audeze's product for a very long time, like the design :-)


Edited by MHOE - 11/12/12 at 4:29am
post #785 of 4917
Thread Starter 

In the next 16 months or so, I intend on adding 10 more headphones to the mix

 

The list I have at this time is:

HifiMan: HE-400

Koss: ESP-950

Sony: CD3000

Taket: H2+

Sennheiser: HE60

Beyerdynamic: DT990

Audio-Technica: ATH-L3000

JVC: DX1000

 

I am looking for two more recommendations
 

There obviously may be an LCD-4, an HE-7, an HD850 (or new electrostatic headphone) in this time.
 

When the review reaches 70 headphones, I will probably not be adding anymore:)


Edited by DavidMahler - 11/12/12 at 7:10am
post #786 of 4917
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In the next 16 months or so, I intend on adding 10 more headphones to the mix

HifiMan: HE-400

Beyerdynamic: DT990

Now this I am eagerly waiting to hear! 

post #787 of 4917
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

In the next 16 months or so, I intend on adding 10 more headphones to the mix

 

When the review reaches 70 headphones, I will probably not be adding anymore:)

only 70?biggrin.gif

i´m really curious for your opinion about the DX-1000

post #788 of 4917
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

In the next 16 months or so, I intend on adding 10 more headphones to the mix

 

The list I have at this time is:

HifiMan: HE-400

Koss: ESP-950

Sony: CD3000

Taket: H2+

Sennheiser: HE60

Beyerdynamic: DT990

Audio-Technica: ATH-L3000

JVC: DX1000

 

I am looking for two more recommendations
 

There obviously may be an LCD-4, an HE-7, an HD850 (or new electrostatic headphone) in this time.
 

When the review reaches 70 headphones, I will probably not be adding anymore:)

David, a modded version of the Fostex T50RPs would be a great addition to the list.

post #789 of 4917
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Originally Posted by tintin40 View Post

An excellent review. But shame no Ergo AMT. have never read a review. 

Good to see that electrostat still rulefloatsmile.png

I would call this a pretty nice review of the AMT:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/193982/the-ergo-amt-review-56k-dont-even-try

post #790 of 4917
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DTrewwye View Post

David, a modded version of the Fostex T50RPs would be a great addition to the list.

 

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Originally Posted by FuglyPhones View Post

I would call this a pretty nice review of the AMT:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/193982/the-ergo-amt-review-56k-dont-even-try


will definitely consider these.  Maybe a smeggy Thunderpants edition hmm

post #791 of 4917
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

In the next 16 months or so, I intend on adding 10 more headphones to the mix

 

The list I have at this time is:

HifiMan: HE-400

Koss: ESP-950

Sony: CD3000

Taket: H2+

Sennheiser: HE60

Beyerdynamic: DT990

Audio-Technica: ATH-L3000

JVC: DX1000

 

I am looking for two more recommendations
 

There obviously may be an LCD-4, an HE-7, an HD850 (or new electrostatic headphone) in this time.
 

When the review reaches 70 headphones, I will probably not be adding anymore:)

 

Hi David!

Please, consider adding the HE-5LE as well.

Thanks! Best regards, Luke

post #792 of 4917
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

 

Hi David!

Please, consider adding the HE-5LE as well.

Thanks! Best regards, Luke


Will do, its discontinued now, but I will definitely consider it.

post #793 of 4917

Epic review and obviously a labor of love, congratulations David! Nice to see where the HE-500 wound up. I've been grooving to it for close to a year now and have been able to tell that 'pound for pound' it was one of the very best headphones out there. It doesn't need it as much, but when you amp it as if you're amping the HE-6 it really comes alive and rewards you with a real sense of presence. Thanks for doing such an extensive review and managing to keep everything balanced, well done .... now I'll go back and read all those glowing comments, 53 pages worth in less than two weeks - woo hoo!

post #794 of 4917
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Originally Posted by Terja View Post

Epic review and obviously a labor of love, congratulations David! Nice to see where the HE-500 wound up. I've been grooving to it for close to a year now and have been able to tell that 'pound for pound' it was one of the very best headphones out there. It doesn't need it as much, but when you amp it as if you're amping the HE-6 it really comes alive and rewards you with a real sense of presence. Thanks for doing such an extensive review and managing to keep everything balanced, well done .... now I'll go back and read all those glowing comments, 53 pages worth in less than two weeks - woo hoo!


Thanks Trane, I mean Terja....  nice avatar:)

post #795 of 4917
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

I have seen at least five LCD-3 graphs with very similarly emphasised bass along with inconsistency in lowest areas along with increased dB from 10 khz. This is for sure going to make a difference in bass perception (tighter, clearer) along with "airy feeling" or increased soundstage (emphasis on treble around 10 khz). However, as bass frequencies are the most difficult to EQ, I would take LCD-2's graphs anytime over LCD-3's (treble is very easy to adjust).

 

I haven't heard LCD-3 and for sure every graph looks different but those patterns are really common for both headphones, at least from what I have seen so far... You can simply google for proof. To me, the majority of those improvements sounds like adjusting frequency response a bit, nothing more... Even though I believe there are some truly related to upgraded technology,  paying 1000USD extra only for this? Not really in my case.

 

 

The problem with measurements is that, yes, it does show your freq response; but it does not take into consideration the quality of the driver. Your lcd-2's are probably one of the nicest measurements I've seen, so for that you're lucky and I understand why you may be wondering how it can get better. Thing is, the lotus driver on the lcd-3 is superior to the one of the lcd-2. The extraction of details is superior and decay to me is noticeably quicker. If you get around to trying the lcd-3, you may be surprised to hear how much more transparent it sounds, albeit the freq response being so similar. This is what stunned me, and impressed me. Although, maybe you would prefer the darker sound of the lcd-2. 

 

Trust me, it's hard to determine the differences between these headphones, especially being similar builds. And although measurements can help have an idea of their sound, you really need to compare them head to head (or ear to ear). 

 

My Fostex t50rp Paradox measures better than my hd800 and he-6, and it also measures better than lcd2/3's; it sounds really good, and is neutral as can be, versatile, etc. But again, it is no where near as resolving as those headphones. It also has more resonance. A few people who have tried it where not impressed because they could not appreciate the near perfect freq response of the headphones, and would chose stuff like HD25's, AKG k550 or even denon ah-d1100 over them! I would never, mainly because the sound tuning is fantastic on the paradox; but again, the fostex is 100$ headphone, the driver isn't the best out there for extracting details and dimension; albeit the great freq response.

 

Hope my input somewhat helps, you're definitely getting good sound with the lcd-2 and sometimes it's hard to think of better. You may or may not prefer the lcd-3, but if you get a chance of hearing them, let me know what you think!

 

cheers

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