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post #4516 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Leliana View Post

I prefer my lcd2 for blues, jazz and most types of rock and metal over the he-500. The only genre I mostly use the he-500 for is post rock and black metal due to the smoother treble.

T1 is used for classical, ambient, movie watching plus gaming.

Th600 mainly for EDM, Kpop, Industrial rock and hip hop

I want to get a hd800 and/or W3000anv in the future. Trying another grado is a chance. Fischer audios limited edition FA-011 I have heard compared favorably against the hd650, and that is apparently very aggressive.
Did you ever try stretching the headband with your thumbs in the center, pulling them outward. Can make a world of difference for some with the lcd2 clamp. The metal in the headband tends to loosen up the grip after a few times stretching YMMV

 

HE-500 smoother treble than LCD2?

post #4517 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 

 

HE-500 smoother treble than LCD2?

 

Well it has more extended treble than the LCD2 on my set up so I guess its not as dark. I find that I enjoy treble happy music more with it, an example would be Toundra II by Toundra (post rock and very high tuned guitar), where the guitars soar up very high. The LCD2 with these can sound both dull and surprisingly a bit unenjoyable compared to the HE-500. It can seem to lack the detail somewhat. The HE-500 both has a very smooth sound in this case and also delivers more sparkle. The T1 in comparison is too bright and fatiguing with albums like these.

 

Maybe saying it was more smooth should be refraised to I just prefer its treble balance and detail more than the LCD2 in these cases.

 

And when I mean treble happy, I mean just in the instrument tuning, not that they are brightly mastered poor albums.


Edited by Leliana - 9/10/13 at 4:16am
post #4518 of 4945
Can anyone tip me one of these headphones that has similar sound to q701 but punchiet lows? Amazing read btw
post #4519 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Leliana View Post
 

 

Well it has more extended treble than the LCD2 on my set up so I guess its not as dark. I find that I enjoy treble happy music more with it, an example would be Toundra II by Toundra (post rock and very high tuned guitar), where the guitars soar up very high. The LCD2 with these can sound both dull and surprisingly a bit unenjoyable compared to the HE-500. It can seem to lack the detail somewhat. The HE-500 both has a very smooth sound in this case and also delivers more sparkle. The T1 in comparison is too bright and fatiguing with albums like these.

 

Maybe saying it was more smooth should be refraised to I just prefer its treble balance and detail more than the LCD2 in these cases.

 

And when I mean treble happy, I mean just in the instrument tuning, not that they are brightly mastered poor albums.


Oh, sorry. I misunderstood you.


I had the opportunity to hear a LCD2(rev. 2) and I prefered the HE-500 over it. I like my Jazz with more sparkle and air.

 

LCD2 excelled with acoustic(string instruments) overall though.


Edited by Okamoto - 9/10/13 at 6:56am
post #4520 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 

I had the opportunity to hear a LCD2(rev. 2) and I prefered the HE-500 over it. I like my Jazz with more sparkle and air.

 

 

 

Funny, that's just what I found the HE-500 to lack: sparkle and air. I even bought a second one (used) as I thought there must have been something wrong with the first, but no.

post #4521 of 4945

Ummmm... I'm highly considering either the HE-400 or the HE-500. Any other recommendations at that price point?

Would it be a good upgrade to the Q701? I know the sound signature is different...

post #4522 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

Ummmm... I'm highly considering either the HE-400 or the HE-500. Any other recommendations at that price point?

Would it be a good upgrade to the Q701? I know the sound signature is different...

 

At $700, I'm not sure you can do much better than the HE-500. I was thoroughly impressed with the sound for my audition.

 

I do plan on hearing the HD600/HD650 next though. Both are cheaper and could potentially beat out the HE-500 if their fit is more comfortable (I was not keen in the weight of the HE-500, not how the pads fit on your ears).

 

Also, Mads Dogs at $300, Alpha Dogs at $600. Very possible the Alpha Dogs could finish ahead of the HE-500, hence I will wait. The fit and weight distribution is way in favor of the Dogs (assuming Alpha Dog fit is similar to the Mad Dog fit).

 

All of these discussed have a different sound signature than the Q701. Q701 has a large soundstage and is really bass-lite and airy. Most of these are warmer and darker sounding, although they are aiming for neutral on the Alpha Dog.


Edited by GoldfishX - 9/11/13 at 11:10am
post #4523 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

Ummmm... I'm highly considering either the HE-400 or the HE-500. Any other recommendations at that price point?

Would it be a good upgrade to the Q701? I know the sound signature is different...

 

I just upgraded from the Q701 to the HE-400. I haven't heard the HE-500, but here are my basic impressions:

Bass -- So much better on the HE-400. It goes just as deep, if not deeper, hits much harder, and is faster. Even though it's faster, it's not necessarily "tighter," since the HE-400 has much more midbass. 

Midrange -- More recessed compared to the Q701, but it has a fast, tactile edge that really sounds nice on distorted guiters and synths. More crunch. 

Highs -- Maybe not as extended as the Q701. The HE-400 are less bright overall, but there is a peak in the treble that gives it some sparkle (or fatigue, depending on how much you like highs). I thought the highs on the Q701 were smoother, but also more emphasized.

Soundstage/ Imaging -- The HE-400 have a smaller soundstage, but not by a large amount. However, the imaging is significantly better and more precise. I found the Q701s emphasized width but could also sound too diffuse. The HE-400 are more focused and 3D. You are closer to the music and the center image is denser. 

Detail -- A bit more detail through the HE-400. The Q701, with their brighter sound, can make small details louder and more obvious, but the HE-400 reveals more in the end. You have to listen more closely though. 

Overall, the HE-400 have more of a "v-shaped" signature, with a focused and precise soundstage that's moderately smaller. The imaging is really much more defined. The HE-400 have a lot more midbass and a denser, thicker sound. Somewhat paradoxically, though, the HE-400 is also faster and more resolving. Sounds snap in and out of a nice, black background, and there is a tactile and precisely textured weight to the bass and midrange. 

Hope that helps. 

post #4524 of 4945
Thank you very much for your feedback. I'm basically searching for a more detailed sound, that's why I'm looking for the Hifiman, either the he400 or the he500. For reviews I saw the Sennheisers are more smooth than detailed. The only thing that doesn't really convince me about the he4/500 is the treble department. I thought before that I liked more dark signatures but after buying the Q701 I found that they were actually the only cans that I don't EQ, and that I really enjoy as they are. I'll probably give Hifiman a chance as it is very difficult to audition headphones in El Paso before buying them.
Edited by Ashade - 9/11/13 at 12:35pm
post #4525 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post

Thank you very much for your feedback. I'm basically searching for a more detailed sound, that's why I'm looking for the Hifiman, either the he400 or the he500. For reviews I saw the Sennheisers are more smooth than detailed. The only thing that doesn't really convince me about the he4/500 is the treble department. I thought before that I liked more dark signatures but after buying the Q701 I found that they were actually the only cans that I don't EQ, and that I really enjoy as they are. I'll probably give Hifiman a chance as it is very difficult to audition headphones in El Paso before buying them.

 

The HE-400 treble is a little odd in that there is a dip in the upper midrange and then a peak around 9 KHz. Certain vocals and instruments can sound slightly off, but I mostly listen to electronic where I don't notice it. I found the Q701 to be more evenly balanced in this region and a little less fatiguing even though brighter overall. Listening to favorite songs, I am noticing more new details in the mids and lows than in the treble through the HE-400. The detail is a different flavor compared to the Q701, more in the articulation of each sound, how sounds stop and start and how their texture changes. The Q701 detail is more like shining a light onto the music. If that makes any sense. Or maybe a visual analogy: the HE-400 is like a nice 8x10 print of a photo on heavy matte paper, whereas as the Q701 is like a big TV showing the same picture. The print is actually sharper, but in a more subdued way because its smaller and darker. It doesn't have the vivid pop of a big, backlit TV. 

 FWIW, I was starting to think that I liked bright signatures when I was using the Q701, but the HE-400 changed my mind. I do EQ them heavily though.

post #4526 of 4945
I think I'll give them a try, specially if I find any of the two used for a reasonable price.
post #4527 of 4945
If you really like the your Q701s and want to go the hifiman route, then I would suggest you spring for the HE-500 over the 400s. Just understand that the soundstage will be smaller than the Qs. The bass is deeper and has more impact while the treble is nice with some sparkle but not bright. Much more like an improved Q701 sound than the 400s imo.
post #4528 of 4945

I think that´s what I´m gonna do. I think the Hifiman HE-500 is probably the best bang for the buck at that price point. Thank you very much for the inputs!!

post #4529 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Ashade View Post
 

I think that´s what I´m gonna do. I think the Hifiman HE-500 is probably the best bang for the buck at that price point. Thank you very much for the inputs!!

 

right!!!!

post #4530 of 4945

This is good:gs1000smile:

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