Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Battle Of The Flagships (58 Headphones Compared) UPDATE: AUDEZ'E LCD-2 Revision 2 (6/4/13)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Battle Of The Flagships (58 Headphones Compared) UPDATE: AUDEZ'E LCD-2 Revision 2 (6/4/13) - Page 299

post #4471 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesterphile View Post

I love my LCD-2's (Vegan, Bamboo, Blessed by the audio gods) but they are heavy. No complaints about anything else, clamp is fine and the Vegan pads/band are fairly comfy.

 

A few things I found helped:

  • wearing them a little lower than other headphones with the deeper side of the pads cushioning just behind my ear
  • when the verticle alignment is correct on my head I move them forward and then pivot the cups until they're applying even pressure
  • intricate pully system to overcome their mass.

Thanks for that....and to all who have responded. I returned the headphones to the Cable Co. I figured there was no point in continuing to using them if I couldn't get over the clamping issues. I had actually tried the positioning you mentioned above, and it did help somewhat (except for coming up with an 'intricate pully system' - a joke, perhaps?). But I think what exacerbated the clamping discomfort was the hardness of the ear pads. Unfortunately when I inquired, the rep from the Cable Co. said they didn't have the vegan version for demo - which is the one I wanted to try out. From what some have said, it could be that the cushier ear pads would relieve some of that pressure. If I have the urge to pursue them further, maybe I could place an order from them for the vegan version and see if they can be returned if the clamp is not improved (I already know I like them otherwise.) Of course, the whole point of the lending library is probably for everybody to avoid returns, but in this instance, they don't have the appropriate version available for trial. I'll 'sit' on that one for a while....

post #4472 of 4939

I'd let you try mine, but y'know different continents and all that ;)

post #4473 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMG52 View Post

Thanks for that....and to all who have responded. I returned the headphones to the Cable Co. I figured there was no point in continuing to using them if I couldn't get over the clamping issues. I had actually tried the positioning you mentioned above, and it did help somewhat (except for coming up with an 'intricate pully system' - a joke, perhaps?). But I think what exacerbated the clamping discomfort was the hardness of the ear pads. Unfortunately when I inquired, the rep from the Cable Co. said they didn't have the vegan version for demo - which is the one I wanted to try out. From what some have said, it could be that the cushier ear pads would relieve some of that pressure. If I have the urge to pursue them further, maybe I could place an order from them for the vegan version and see if they can be returned if the clamp is not improved (I already know I like them otherwise.) Of course, the whole point of the lending library is probably for everybody to avoid returns, but in this instance, they don't have the appropriate version available for trial. I'll 'sit' on that one for a while....

You could always swap out the pads for the lcd 3 pads. Ive heard theyre much softer than the lcd 2 pads.

Jesterphile also employs a neck brace cos he's quite puny.
post #4474 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post


You could always swap out the pads for the lcd 3 pads. Ive heard theyre much softer than the lcd 2 pads.

Jesterphile also employs a neck brace cos he's quite puny.

Hopefully I don't need the neck-brace for the Grados I just bought tongue.gif

post #4475 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesterphile View Post

Hopefully I don't need the neck-brace for the Grados I just bought tongue.gif

Itd be funny if that was actually said in jest smily_headphones1.gif
post #4476 of 4939

That is one thing that is quickly becoming an issue with me...comfort when using headphones. I love the SOUND of my AD2000x, but the Audio Technica wing headband design is atrocious. The damn thing is always moving and it has to be worn more as on on-ear headphone. From the profile, the LCD3 would be perfect for me, but I want something I can wear for hours at a time and be as comfortable as I am engaged in the music. So the HD600 is sounding better and better as an alternative.

post #4477 of 4939
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

The abyss is even heavier than the lcd-3 at 660 gram.

That is heavy! Though for me grip is always more the comfort issue than heaviness.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathanvaljean View Post

Whoa!  If one isn't careful, those heavy cans might just pull someone's head into the abyss... 

 

(Corny joke alert!)

haha put the alert before the joke next time :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by donunus View Post

Hi DavidMahler, 

Have you also heard the 250 ohm version of the dt880? And if you did, would it still rank as high as the 600 ohm version and be at the same place in the rankings still above the next can in line? Reason I ask is that I was looking for some classical headphones and was deciding between the higher clamping force DT880PRO against the DT660. The price is only about $50 difference between the two so unless the dt660 sounds better than the dt880pro, there is absolutely no reason for me to get the dt660 since I don't really need the extra isolation and sensitivity.

I quoted MH below because I agree with his assessment.  It's spot on.  The difference is not nearly as noticeable as the 32ohm versus the 250 ohm.  There is a bit more treble-unnaturalness, but it may be worth the trade off if your amp is not suited for the 600 ohms.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Not Dave, but they are about the same in sound quality. Maybe a wee bit less tizzy treble on the 600 ohm version.

I agree with this

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post

Dave doesn't count, he's an anomaly in the system.

He's the Tom Bombadil of HeadFi.

Hahaha!!! That made me laugh! 

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathanvaljean View Post

Amen to that!  His collection truly boggles the mind.  When I first began reading his thread several months ago, I thought that he must have borrowed many of the cans.  And then I realized that he actually OWNED all of them. Judging by his postings and by our exchange of private messages, it doesn't seem as though a nicer guy could exist.  Fantastic collection... Amazing epic comparison thread... Wonderful guy!  beerchug.gif         

Thanks Jonathan! I'm glad that this thread brings forth a lot of positivity.  Certainly not everyone in my life is pleased ::girlfriends:: (spoken under my breath)...though I am presently with someone who doesn't seem to mind (keeper?).......but I did want to say with regard to the time and money I've put into the hobby I sometimes feel like certain sacrifices have been very large.  It's partly why I haven't been posting as much lately.  Your post is extremely flattering and I do thank you for it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post


Agreed. Dave is a great guy.

Thanks Peter:)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

I have a question and it's something I just noticed...You have the Phonitor listed as your preferred amp for the LCD2 (1 and 2), but not for the LCD3. Any reason for that?

 

I'm considering an Auditor purchase soon, is why I'm asking. It seems to be a very versatile unit.

 

Thanks!

Right now my choice amp for both is the Hifiman EF6 which I'm going to be adding into the review once I revise it.  While I'm not by my listening station right now, I don't recall thinking the Phonitor was bad with the LCD-3, but I do recall that I felt the LCD-2 sounded especially good to my ears with the Phonitor.  In all honesty, it's been at least a month that I've listened to either of the 3 headphones. When I add the EF6 into the review, I will reconfirm this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Syan25 View Post

Holy.....how on earth could anyone afford so much gear....it is astonishing. Mammoth review...

Thank you

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

And every wife/gf's nightmare. wink.gif

;) Not a joke though.  I will ultimately be selling some of my gear for an engagement ring to prove my love to the right person :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMG52 View Post

Looking for a suggestion. I have been using the Paradox headphones for some time now, and think they are a great, a very neutral phone, and given my living situation with my wife, being a closed back phone is a real asset. But I have been tempted to check out other headphone possibilities and after reading many, many reviews - including David's fabulous "Flagship" compilation - I thought the Audeze LCD-2 would be a good one to at least start and maybe end with, if I liked it. I 'borrowed' a pair from the Cable Company this past week. They do not have the vegan pads (those are not available for loan). I find that I really do love their presentation. They have a way of eliminating treble background artifacts present in many recordings, which is great, and their sonic signature is to my liking. I prefer a more subdued treble rather than looking for sparkle and 'air', although I don't find the LCD-2s lacking in the treble.....for my tastes. The Paradox might actually be more neutral, but, now I am not sure if I don't prefer the sonic signature of the Audeze for listening to the music that I like, which is mostly rock, blues, acoustic, a little jazz, vocals, most anything but not classical.  BUT, comfort wise, these headphones are a challenge. My wife tried them for about 10 minutes, appreciated how good they sound, but had this pained look on her face. I kept trying to adjust them, but all to no avail. The clamping on her skull, jawbone, etc, was all too much. I am leaving them to gently stretch out around some books which is what the fellows from Audeze recommended (they admitted this is not an uncommon complaint). After some stretching and adjusting, I can listen with them for a time, and after a while I can almost not notice them on my head, but when I take them off, it's a relief. Another blogger suggested wearing them backwards, but that doesn't really work so well. Vegan earpads might also help, but I don't really have the chance to try a set out. What I am wondering, and I would LOVE to hear from David on this, is what other headphone comes to mind with the attributes of the Audeze, but are more comfortable to wear? The HD650 keeps coming up, particularly with regard to the kind of music we listen to, but I wonder if I would be disappointed after hearing the LCD-2. Maybe that would be the case with any headphone, short of multi-thousand dollar phones, including ones that are no longer even available.

Thanks!

I really think based on your experience that you are homing in on the HD650.  I think that's the one, or perhaps the HD600.  You may be disappointed as it is not as refined as the LCD-2, nor is it nearly as detailed.  But ultimately, I really do think it is the closest one to the LCD-2 in my review.  In fact I would say that if the HE-500 and HD650 were combined it would be very LCD-2ish.

post #4478 of 4939
Dave, best piece I have ever read on headphones. Which amp did you prefer with the hd800?
post #4479 of 4939

Dear David,

I need your advice  (or others) once again. At this moment I use a AKG K-1000 and Sennheiser HD-800 and a 300B amplifier (see signature). I am most likely going to sell my AKG K-1000 because I need a closed back headphone for late night sessions. At these late night sessions I listen mostly to classical (symphonic) music (Mahler, Bruckner, Berlioz, Stravinsky, Shostakovich etc etc) and opera (Puccini, Strauss, Wagner, Verdi). I reason why I ultimately favor the Sennheiser HD-800 over the AKG K-1000 is that the timbral accuracy of the Sennheiser is amazing, each instrument sounds like a real instrument. Furthermore, especially with busy complex classical music each instrument is clearly locked into space, and finally their ability to portray the acoustic environment of the recording is exceptional (especially with live recordings). Because of these main strengths (there are more) I can really relax and listen to the music instead of the equipment. Unfortunately, the Sennheiser HD-800 has zero isolation and I like to play loud. Hence, my wife can clearly hear the music even if she is in the next (bed)room. So it is easy to guess what I am after. I need a closed back headphone with some isolation. It doesn’t have to be dead quiet, but it should reduce the in room sound by at least half. Otherwise it does not relax me knowing that I wake up the kids and/or my wife.

 

Now, it doesn’t have to be the closed back version of the Sennheiser HD-800, because I do not think these exist. What I mean is that I am open to another perspective on my preferred music, as long as it also brings out the best in symphonic classical music and opera. What is absolutely essential to me is that they lock instruments into space (is that what you call imaging), but I do not mind if there is less space between them, e.g. if they are closer to each other, and long as it does not become a mess. Furthermore, especially brass and string tones should have the correct timbre, and I like air and a dynamic sound in the bass and mids especially. My budget is about 1500 dollar. To give you some more reference. In my system the Sennheiser HD-800 with copper cable (see signature) has just enough air. However, if I have to do all over again I would have bought  a good silver cable for the HD-800. Hence, a little bit more air is preferred, as long as it doesn’t lose naturalness. I can also handle just a litte bit more bass as long as it doesn't blur the midrange. What would you recommend?


Edited by playitloud - 8/28/13 at 5:44am
post #4480 of 4939

popcorn.gif

post #4481 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

That is heavy! Though for me grip is always more the comfort issue than heaviness.

haha put the alert before the joke next time :)

I quoted MH below because I agree with his assessment.  It's spot on.  The difference is not nearly as noticeable as the 32ohm versus the 250 ohm.  There is a bit more treble-unnaturalness, but it may be worth the trade off if your amp is not suited for the 600 ohms.

I agree with this

Hahaha!!! That made me laugh! 

Thanks Jonathan! I'm glad that this thread brings forth a lot of positivity.  Certainly not everyone in my life is pleased ::girlfriends:: (spoken under my breath)...though I am presently with someone who doesn't seem to mind (keeper?).......but I did want to say with regard to the time and money I've put into the hobby I sometimes feel like certain sacrifices have been very large.  It's partly why I haven't been posting as much lately.  Your post is extremely flattering and I do thank you for it!

Thanks Peter:)

Right now my choice amp for both is the Hifiman EF6 which I'm going to be adding into the review once I revise it.  While I'm not by my listening station right now, I don't recall thinking the Phonitor was bad with the LCD-3, but I do recall that I felt the LCD-2 sounded especially good to my ears with the Phonitor.  In all honesty, it's been at least a month that I've listened to either of the 3 headphones. When I add the EF6 into the review, I will reconfirm this.

Thank you

;) Not a joke though.  I will ultimately be selling some of my gear for an engagement ring to prove my love to the right person :)

I really think based on your experience that you are homing in on the HD650.  I think that's the one, or perhaps the HD600.  You may be disappointed as it is not as refined as the LCD-2, nor is it nearly as detailed.  But ultimately, I really do think it is the closest one to the LCD-2 in my review.  In fact I would say that if the HE-500 and HD650 were combined it would be very LCD-2ish.

Yeah, it's that refined sound, with detail simply emerging from a black background,  that is addictive and makes me wonder if the 650 would ultimately fit the bill.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. You rock David!

post #4482 of 4939
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

Dave, best piece I have ever read on headphones. Which amp did you prefer with the hd800?

Thanks! It truly depends on what I want from the headphone.  I believe the Manley Neo Classic 300b is the overall winner for me because of how it softens the sound and adds a sense of roundness without blurring the qualities that make the headphone standout to me.  However, the Phonitor/Auditor, the TTVJ 307a, the Apex Pinnacle, the Donald North Stratus, the RSA B52, and a few DIY amps (namely NikonGod's) have really impressed me.  I think the Neo Classic 300b though is a pairing which should be heard as, in my opinion, it pretty much erases every criticism made about the HD800. 

Quote:
Originally Posted by playitloud View Post

Dear David,

I need your advice  (or others) once again. At this moment I use a AKG K-1000 and Sennheiser HD-800 and a 300B amplifier (see signature). I am most likely going to sell my AKG K-1000 because I need a closed back headphone for late night sessions. At these late night sessions I listen mostly to classical (symphonic) music (Mahler, Bruckner, Berlioz, Stravinsky, Shostakovich etc etc) and opera (Puccini, Strauss, Wagner, Verdi). I reason why I ultimately favor the Sennheiser HD-800 over the AKG K-1000 is that the timbral accuracy of the Sennheiser is amazing, each instrument sounds like a real instrument. Furthermore, especially with busy complex classical music each instrument is clearly locked into space, and finally their ability to portray the acoustic environment of the recording is exceptional (especially with live recordings). Because of these main strengths (there are more) I can really relax and listen to the music instead of the equipment. Unfortunately, the Sennheiser HD-800 has zero isolation and I like to play loud. Hence, my wife can clearly hear the music even if she is in the next (bed)room. So it is easy to guess what I am after. I need a closed back headphone with some isolation. It doesn’t have to be dead quiet, but it should reduce the in room sound by at least half. Otherwise it does not relax me knowing that I wake up the kids and/or my wife.

 

Now, it doesn’t have to be the closed back version of the Sennheiser HD-800, because I do not think these exist. What I mean is that I am open to another perspective on my preferred music, as long as it also brings out the best in symphonic classical music and opera. What is absolutely essential to me is that they lock instruments into space (is that what you call imaging), but I do not mind if there is less space between them, e.g. if they are closer to each other, and long as it does not become a mess. Furthermore, especially brass and string tones should have the correct timbre, and I like air and a dynamic sound in the bass and mids especially. My budget is about 1500 dollar. To give you some more reference. In my system the Sennheiser HD-800 with copper cable (see signature) has just enough air. However, if I have to do all over again I would have bought  a good silver cable for the HD-800. Hence, a little bit more air is preferred, as long as it doesn’t lose naturalness. I can also handle just a litte bit more bass as long as it doesn't blur the midrange. What would you recommend?

I've never heard a closed headphone that really compares to the HD800 with classical music.  Perhaps there are newer orthos and Fostex DIYs are capable of something close.  For me, the DT660 is the best closed headphone for classical short of something like the R10 which is a semi-closed.  The W3000ANV has its merits too but is noticeably colored.  I have not heard the new AKG closed models.  At the next meet I go to one of the main things I want to do is sample newer AKG models :)

post #4483 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
I have not heard the new AKG closed models.  At the next meet I go to one of the main things I want to do is sample newer AKG models :)

Please let us know what you think. Hopefully you can try the new open backs too. I am especially interested in the k612 since they are usually less bright and peaky than the 7 series basing on the k601 vs 701.

post #4484 of 4939
A pair of R10s went up on Audiogon - mint $8500.
post #4485 of 4939
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

That is one thing that is quickly becoming an issue with me...comfort when using headphones. I love the SOUND of my AD2000x, but the Audio Technica wing headband design is atrocious. The damn thing is always moving and it has to be worn more as on on-ear headphone. From the profile, the LCD3 would be perfect for me, but I want something I can wear for hours at a time and be as comfortable as I am engaged in the music. So the HD600 is sounding better and better as an alternative.

When you have bought and got rid of as many headphones as I have, you begin to rank comfort higher than sound quality. If it's comfortable and even pig ugly, I'll audition them. If they're uncomfortable, I don't care how many A+++ stars they get. 

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Battle Of The Flagships (58 Headphones Compared) UPDATE: AUDEZ'E LCD-2 Revision 2 (6/4/13)