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Originally Posted by Meremoth View Post

Just found this thread after reading tons of "appreciation" threads/posts and have realized that so many people essentially regurgitate, almost verbatim, what the OP has written, and then pass it off as an original thought.  Some of the posts are literally word for word, without quotations or reference to the OP.  This is why I don't read reviews for movies before I see them, easier to keep an open-mind that way and then you know that your critique is honest, unbiased or less biased, and truly your own thoughts and feelings.  Unfortunately I have no way to demo any headphones, so I have to rely on other people's reviews.  

 

But I digress, I wonder where the OP ranks the TH-900 value wise now that they have dropped down to $1500.  Really surprised he ranks them so poorly.  Would have guessed they would have at least been in the top 20, sound quality wise, based upon everything I have read.

 

I think thats because the reviewer believes that HE-6, HD-800 performs better than the TH-900 (especially since he emphsizes the importance of neutrality often) so in that aspect to him, the TH-900 is a poor value since the previous two phones are several 100 dollars cheaper. Since they are 1500 like you said, i would guess that his take would be slightly different?

 

But even at 1500 its still more expensive than HE-6 and HD-800

post #4352 of 4945

wow great article

a lot of manhour of job put into this,though i guess  its been a fun ride

thansk alot ,epic thread

post #4353 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Meremoth View Post

Just found this thread after reading tons of "appreciation" threads/posts and have realized that so many people essentially regurgitate, almost verbatim, what the OP has written, and then pass it off as an original thought.  Some of the posts are literally word for word, without quotations or reference to the OP.  This is why I don't read reviews for movies before I see them, easier to keep an open-mind that way and then you know that your critique is honest, unbiased or less biased, and truly your own thoughts and feelings.  Unfortunately I have no way to demo any headphones, so I have to rely on other people's reviews.  

 

Yeah, the part in bold is the killer. I would love to have my own informed opinions on everything, but that is not financially feasible. I would love to hear the difference between a $40000 DAC and the one in my Marantz SACD8004.

 

My most important takeaway from this thread is that the HE-6, LCD-3 and HD800 are probably the big 3 non-electrostatic headphones still being made, while the SR-009 is the "big 1" still being made (at an insane premium compared to the other 3). Secondarily, there are a number of legitimate bang-for-the-buck headphones. For people that are new to the headphone scene, that is a good point of reference. Others like the DT-660 (a great personal purchase, based on this article, but is pretty much only good for classical), the Ultrasones (David is WAY too generous to the Edition 10, IMO) or all of the expensive out of production models (I'm not paying thousands of dollars for a headphone that can't be serviced anymore) are more likely just curiousities to most people, but are good and informative (and to me, largely unbiased*) reads nonetheless.

 

*okay, they are a LITTLE Sennheiser friendly, but he points out the bad in them too. I'm one of the veil-haters. I do see his point about IEM's vs headphones too.

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

 (David is WAY too generous to the Edition 10, IMO) 

 

 

He's not the only one that does appreciate Ultrasone ed10. I read many reviews that descrive a very specialized headphone due to its extreme clarity but still enjoyable for many listeners ( I haven't heard to ed10 myself) 

 

About David's review. I was a bit cautious about this phenomenal work cause I didn't know how could be objective all thes reviews and rankings. David is experimented but still stays a simple human with his own tastes. 

 

Now I've owned or tried several headphones of this review (hd800 will soon be mine besides akg K501, senn hd580 , grado RS2 and Ultrasone Signature pro) and I really trust the entire work now. Indeed I havn't always the same opinion ( I think  AKG K501 & K701 worthes a better rank and sennheiser hd600/650 are a bit overrated  and I think Ultrasone SP definitely  deserves its own review instead of the old HFI-700 biggrin.gif . I really dislike hifiman he400 too ) . Despite different opinions I always found David's reviews accurate , precise and well argumented.  

 

Many many thanks for this bible David :) 


Edited by Sorrodje - 7/29/13 at 9:41am
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A near $3000 headphone with recessed mids and "sounds best on low volume" just screams niche product to me. He gave it a C for value, which I felt was way too high, considering the ones that are ahead of it. Again, I would need to hear it to judge it, but I feel like the words don't agree with the placing/grade on that one. But again, nitpicking. Not a big deal.

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I wish there was a similar thread for amps. 

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well they're already pretty high up there. only headphones that surprise me are the hd 600 and 650 being higher, but then again he put dt 880 over PS1000 and D7k as well. he might have just ranked them low because of the fact that they're really bassy which isn't normal for a high end headphone, and cause they where $2000 and could be seen as overpriced by alot of people. but besides the hd 600/650 being ranked higher, everything else makes sense. i feel the other headphones on top of them are better in terms of technical performance.

How can one not like the 600/650's smooth sound , anyways its subjective after all - $400 for the 600 is a steal (IMO) also he has given the amazing he400's a good amount of appreciation for which there is a lot of back and forth :)

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Me personally, I prefer an aggressive sound with sparkle in it. A well amped HD800 is relentless in the amount of detail it throws at you. I found a set of tubes that paired well with it in my Lyr and it is lightning quick now. Another pair has really forward highs, but even those are preferable to having rolled off treble like many other Sennheiser graphs show. But again, to each their own. I agree with David...they can be a PITA to find system synergy with.

 

Are the 600/650 comparable to the Momentums? They were my first dealing with Sennheiser cans and I didn't like them at all. I loved how the 558's sounded from the store demo though. And every high end Senn has always felt really comfortable.

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Originally Posted by mvrk10256 View Post

I wish there was a similar thread for amps. 

And another for DACs.

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Originally Posted by uzi View Post

And another for DACs.

Yup. I am good with that. 

post #4361 of 4945
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Originally Posted by uzi View Post

And another for DACs.

Battle of the Flagships Headphone Amp and a separate DAC thread would make a lot of sense. 

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I got $10 on the $40000 DAC being #1...

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

I got $10 on the $40000 DAC being #1...

 

is that for real? You can buy a pretty good car wit that kind of money......

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Originally Posted by Kirisame Touko View Post

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

I got $10 on the $40000 DAC being #1...

 

is that for real? You can buy a pretty good car wit that kind of money......

Yessir, MSB Technology: Diamond DAC IV.


Edited by wolfetan44 - 7/29/13 at 9:25pm
post #4365 of 4945
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Originally Posted by Meremoth View Post

But I digress, I wonder where the OP ranks the TH-900 value wise now that they have dropped down to $1500.  Really surprised he ranks them so poorly.  Would have guessed they would have at least been in the top 20, sound quality wise, based upon everything I have read.

 

That's a good question... 

 

Here is what David said about the the Fostex TH-900 (#24) with respect to Denon AH-D7000 (#33):

 

I would say that the sound quality of the TH900 is similar to Denon's AH-D7000 (a headphone designed by Fostex). However, the TH900's sonic presentation is slightly improved, both in terms of tonality and transparency. The D7000 sold for $1000 less than the TH900 sells for. In my view, the D7000 was a far better value.

 

The Denon's received a B value rating, whereas the Fostex received a C+ value rating.  I would postulate that the Fostex, now that it is selling for $500 less (and $500 more than the Denon's price when they were available), would rise to no more than a B.  Of course, we will have to wait for David to weigh in on this one...

 

As for the overall ranking of the TH-900, with my personal sound signature preferences, I feel as though David got it about right at #24.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Kirisame Touko View Post

 

I think thats because the reviewer believes that HE-6, HD-800 performs better than the TH-900 (especially since he emphsizes the importance of neutrality often) so in that aspect to him, the TH-900 is a poor value since the previous two phones are several 100 dollars cheaper. Since they are 1500 like you said, i would guess that his take would be slightly different?

 

But even at 1500 its still more expensive than HE-6 and HD-800

 

Let's not forget that David includes two rankings at the bottom of his epic thread--a value rating and a sound quality rating.  As David rated the sound quality independent of price, with these parameters, the sound quality rating would not change.  The value rating might change a bit, however. 

 

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post


My most important takeaway from this thread is that the HE-6, LCD-3 and HD800 are probably the big 3 non-electrostatic headphones still being made, while the SR-009 is the "big 1" still being made (at an insane premium compared to the other 3). Secondarily, there are a number of legitimate bang-for-the-buck headphones.

That is an excellent synopsis of this thread!

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