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post #3976 of 4981

Perhaps, August, I'll finally be able to get right intimate with the HD650. Will throw a handful of amps at it, then extend listening sessions with the better pairings.

post #3977 of 4981

The 650 is worth the quest to find the amp that you are happy with. Both the lyr and A2 worked well for me with the 650. 

post #3978 of 4981
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The 650 is worth the quest to find the amp that you are happy with. Both the lyr and A2 worked well for me with the 650. 


 I have pretty much came to the same conclusion, I am definitely going to have to bite the bullet and get a Lyr. One of the few amps I have looked at that seem to work anywhere from good to great on just about any headphone you can mention.

post #3979 of 4981

Just be sure that all the hp's you want to use with the lyr can handle the power. wink.gif

post #3980 of 4981

I nearly deafened myself with a Lyr once. Had some Sennheisers plugged in, no sound, cranked the knob, nothing... oh whoops, forgot to turn my dac on... *boom*

post #3981 of 4981

This is basically how I damaged my own hearing. A stupid mistake with the volume being all the way up on a dap...didn't realize it till it was too late. 

post #3982 of 4981

BTW, you just helped sell me on a pair of the DT 660's too. I had never really payed Beyerdynamic headphones that much attention, but I needed them for work (I keep getting interrupted and it's a PITA to keep ripping my IEM's out of my ears each time it happens. My portable amp should be able to drive them just fine) and their isolation and neutralness sounded appealing. Being on sale at Amazon didn't hurt either.

 

You should be getting a commission. The problem with long product lines is sometimes you don't know which ones to look at or for. All those DT - XXX's never really got my attention, but I read your write-up because I thought it was interesting the 660's were above the 770's (and I didn't want bass-heavy).

 

Thanks!

post #3983 of 4981
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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

BTW, you just helped sell me on a pair of the DT 660's too. I had never really payed Beyerdynamic headphones that much attention, but I needed them for work (I keep getting interrupted and it's a PITA to keep ripping my IEM's out of my ears each time it happens. My portable amp should be able to drive them just fine) and their isolation and neutralness sounded appealing. Being on sale at Amazon didn't hurt either.

 

You should be getting a commission. The problem with long product lines is sometimes you don't know which ones to look at or for. All those DT - XXX's never really got my attention, but I read your write-up because I thought it was interesting the 660's were above the 770's (and I didn't want bass-heavy).

 

Thanks!

My dad has the DT660's, if you like classical music, you made an amazing choicebiggrin.gif

post #3984 of 4981
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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

BTW, you just helped sell me on a pair of the DT 660's too. I had never really payed Beyerdynamic headphones that much attention, but I needed them for work (I keep getting interrupted and it's a PITA to keep ripping my IEM's out of my ears each time it happens. My portable amp should be able to drive them just fine) and their isolation and neutralness sounded appealing. Being on sale at Amazon didn't hurt either.

 

You should be getting a commission. The problem with long product lines is sometimes you don't know which ones to look at or for. All those DT - XXX's never really got my attention, but I read your write-up because I thought it was interesting the 660's were above the 770's (and I didn't want bass-heavy).

 

Thanks!

Thinking of snagging a pair of these for work as well!  I have the 770's, but never liked their overwhelming and muddy bass.  These sound like they should be just what I'm looking for.

post #3985 of 4981

I'm replacing my Denon AHD2000's in the office, their muddiness has become their downfall. The 660's sound like they resemble a headphone version of my trusty B2 IEM's (same strengths/weaknesses). I do suspect though, I'll need to keep both pairs with me, because the Denons do heavy metal so well and there's just some days I NEED to blast some oldschool Metallica or Slayer...it's just about everything else I need to cover a bit better, lol.

 

Dark Apparition - $176 at Amazon. I HAD to jump on that.


Edited by GoldfishX - 6/20/13 at 9:25pm
post #3986 of 4981
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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post

BTW, you just helped sell me on a pair of the DT 660's too. I had never really payed Beyerdynamic headphones that much attention, but I needed them for work (I keep getting interrupted and it's a PITA to keep ripping my IEM's out of my ears each time it happens. My portable amp should be able to drive them just fine) and their isolation and neutralness sounded appealing. Being on sale at Amazon didn't hurt either.

 

You should be getting a commission. The problem with long product lines is sometimes you don't know which ones to look at or for. All those DT - XXX's never really got my attention, but I read your write-up because I thought it was interesting the 660's were above the 770's (and I didn't want bass-heavy).

 

Thanks!

DT660 is a great choice! I actually prefer them to DT880 but please don't tell anyone wink.gif

post #3987 of 4981
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

DT660 is a great choice! I actually prefer them to DT880 but please don't tell anyone wink.gif


Is there a specific difference except the price?


Edited by musiclife - 6/27/13 at 1:26pm
post #3988 of 4981

From what I could tell, DT660 was a true closed back, DT880 is semi-closed. Also, it sounds like DT660 is tilted more towards a treble/airy sound, while DT880 is more neutral. That is what I've been able to gather.

 

I needed closed back, so DT 660 it was!

post #3989 of 4981
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Originally Posted by musiclife View Post


Is there a specific difference except the price?

I listen to lots of classical music. DT660 are titled towards mids and treble which gives very airy reproduction, as GoldfishX said. That kind of sound serves classical music well.
post #3990 of 4981
Thread Starter 

Hey everyone!! Took a break from head-fi for a few days as I had gotten quite sick in addition to the tinnitus (totally unrelated though)

Anyway... I thought I would share some of my journey thus far in addressing the tinnitus as it may help some.  I visited an ENT/audiologist early in the week and they were really unhelpful.  They did an audiogram up to 8Khz which showed that my hearing was excellent.  I was informed that if my tinnitus had resulted from a loud blast or prolonged exposure to noise that there would be a noticeable dip at 4Khz.  But regardless, I found the doctor to be unhelpful as she didn't really have any further pathways for me to seek help.

 

So I started reading up quite a bit (also resting my ears from headphones/earphones).  It's amazing how many remedies (and what-not-to-do's) there are out there and hardly any have any concrete results.  No caffeine, less salt, herbal supplements, etc.... of course all these things take time to have an effect if any.  I visited another audiologist who this time was able to help me quite a bit more..... More on this visit...

 

She performed an extensive audiogram of 16 different frequencies which included two different sets of headphones...up to 8Khz she used in-ears, and from 8Khz to 20Khz she used circumaural.  The findings were that overall, I had excellent hearing despite the tinnitus.  This was of great relief I thought.  But one thing it did show was an asymmetry between the right and left at 14Khz.  The left was able to detect 14Khz at about 15db lower volume.  Before I could have my "aha" moment, the audiologist explained what I presumed already - and that is - asymmetries are very common/expected between L/R hearing and particularly at upper frequencies where there is no normal-base for hearing.  Both my left and right ears were able to hear 16Khz and 18Khz more loudly than 14Khz.  Sadly, though not surprisingly, I struggled to hear 20Khz, but she wondered if her equipment was to blame since my hearing of 18Khz was very good.  

Afterward she put forth the concept that because of the fact that my ears play a great role in my personal and professional life (and I have been very in-tune with my ears since I was very young) that any changes in hearing due to age/noise-related damage could result in me being more aware of the change - thus resulting in tinnitus.  I'm sure many of you who have experienced tinnitus can relate being that many of you are hobbyists or work in a professional that put your ears at the forefront.  I'd bet even some of you who have never experienced a moment of tinnitus, if you sat in silence long enough and listened for a hum or ringing, your mind would play tricks on you! Don't do this:)

Either way, to know that my hearing was largely uncompromised was of great relief to me as I had thought the fireworks blast that I took severely damaged my hearing.  Of course, an audiogram can't show everything, it only tests at specific frequencies, but it's still a good reference.  I would suggest anyone who has signs of tinnitus to find an audiologist who can test a broad range of frequencies.  I believe the frequency of my tinntius is in the 14Khz to 15khz range (and this may very well be caused by the distinct asymmetry of my hearing at this frequency).  As scientists and medical professionals don't have a definitive understanding of what causes tinnitus, I have made my own conclusion regarding my tinnitus which may or may not be true: because the ears are responsible for balance as well as hearing, it is possible that at this frequency point my mind is delivering signals of this frequency in order to maintain a sense of balance.  Of course, this guess could be totally wrong....I may never know.  Either way, I continued to try to alleviate the tinnitus.....

I visited an acclaimed acupuncture specialist who was convinced she could help.  I've never had acupuncture before and the experience was quite interesting.  After the experience I noticed for a few hours my hearing was extra sensitive and sounds bothered me a bit.  But the next morning I awoke to a nearly-complete absence of tinnitus in my right ear!  My left ear however actually got slightly worse and the pitched changed just slightly.  Either way, seeing as the symptoms were manipulated was reassuring.  I am looking into new ways to treat the condition, but my underlying feeling I have regarding the tinnitus is vastly more positive knowing that my hearing is excellent despite it.

After having lived with the symptoms for a month, I have conclude a few things:

  • I hear the ringing more with IEMs because of its ability to isolate from any sense of masking noises.
  • Classical music actually brings more attention to the symptoms because of the wider dynamic range.  When the music gets quiet, the ringing feels elevated.
  • tinnitus does not always mean hearing damage

 

 

Anyway......I have gone back to headphone listening this weekend and I have begun resuming work on my next addition to the review.  I hope the "tinnitus portion" of  this thread which I have introduced does not misdirect the original intention of this thread.  It feels good to be back at music-listening and reviewing!

Look for my next review soon:)  HE-60


 

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