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post #3676 of 4981

my analogy would be this:

 

autotune is to music what steroids are to athletics.

 

all artists today who would be considered great singers instead have an asterisk next to their name in the long run.

because they have been using performance enhancers.  biggrin.gif

 

give me the pre-steroid Bo Jackson.

or the pre-autotune Whitney Houston.

 

you can keep all the current crap on the radio...

post #3677 of 4981
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Originally Posted by TheWuss View Post

my analogy would be this:

 

autotune is to music what steroids are to athletics.

 

all artists today who would be considered great singers instead have an asterisk next to their name in the long run.

because they have been using performance enhancers.  biggrin.gif

 

give me the pre-steroid Bo Jackson.

or the pre-autotune Whitney Houston.

 

you can keep all the current crap on the radio...

 

+1

post #3678 of 4981
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Originally Posted by TheWuss View Post

my analogy would be this:

autotune is to music what steroids are to athletics.

all artists today who would be considered great singers instead have an asterisk next to their name in the long run.
because they have been using performance enhancers.  biggrin.gif

give me the pre-steroid Bo Jackson.
or the pre-autotune Whitney Houston.

you can keep all the current crap on the radio...

I was so with you until the Bo Jackson comment. One of my favorite ball players but I'd bet you money he was a juicer.
post #3679 of 4981
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Originally Posted by TheWuss View Post

my analogy would be this:

autotune is to music what steroids are to athletics.

all artists today who would be considered great singers instead have an asterisk next to their name in the long run.
because they have been using performance enhancers.  biggrin.gif

give me the pre-steroid Bo Jackson.
or the pre-autotune Whitney Houston.

you can keep all the current crap on the radio...
This is a good analogy! I would even go a few steps further. Even if an athlete takes steroids, they still have to be fundamentally excellent at the sport and they still have to put the hours in to build the muscle.

With the special "performing enhancements" that are available and used/abused today there is almost no need to have any fundamental talent in order to create a decent sounding mainstream song. You can literally be tone deaf, have no sense of time, have 0 knowledge of chords....with minimal effort you can arrive At final song that sounds at the very least professional.
Edited by DavidMahler - 5/10/13 at 8:08pm
post #3680 of 4981

Just wanted to say that this is the headphone review to end all headphone reviews... WOW!!!  Kudos to you for this monumental effort!

 

I was proud to see that all of my cans received value ratings of A- or above.  (I have numbers 12, 13, and 27 in your ranking.)  

 

Something that strikes me is how, even though we are living in what arguably is the "golden age" of headphones, three of your top four have been with us for about 20 years or more.  And to think that Sony, a company for the masses that has such an extensive product line, was capable of making something as sublime as the R10, whereas many of the smaller, more dedicated greats (Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, AKG) have not created anything quite to their level.  Any insight as to why Sony was essentially a one-hit headphone wonder?  With such demonstrated prowess, why abandon high-end headphones?     

 

By the way... Can I be YOU when I grow up?  What a collection!  What an ear!  What articulatory ability!   

post #3681 of 4981
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

 

I love Beethoven, but do I think he is better than Justin Bieber? Your damn right I do. But then I am an ignorant ***** :D 

This part of your post made remember something that I have thought about in passing:

I've always wondered if it was possible to take something like a Beethoven symphony and then a song like Gangnam Style and literally prove beyond all subjectivity that the Beethoven work was a better-constructed and high quality piece of music.  The concept that all art and music has a subjective value puts a real damper on what art and music really is.  I'd like to believe that there are certain fundamental values that are absolute and not a matter of opinion.  

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Ah I've heard a lot of good things about the Blue Hawaii amp. The person who owns the Stax gear I tried is kind of a vintage audio gear guy. I must say, the Stax amps that he has look pretty neat in the retro sense, hahaha.

 


I saw that you posted in the new Shure SE846 thread. Are you planning to purchase one? I'm really curious to see how it stacks up to their previous SE535 flagship earphone and to other earphones in the ~$1000 USD range.

Regarding the SE846, I probably won't include it because I anticipate being done with this review very shortly.  I have a feeling it is very overpriced: Westone's quad driver has been around for a while now at less than half the price.  Also, AKG's $1000 in-ear is something I never went for either.  But we'll see.  Maybe if the price drops, I would ultimately include the Shures.  Sadly, I have a lot less money coming in now than when I started over 2 years ago, and I have a lot more expenses, so I need to wrap this up :)

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Originally Posted by jonathanvaljean View Post

Just wanted to say that this is the headphone review to end all headphone reviews... WOW!!!  Kudos to you for this monumental effort!

 

I was proud to see that all of my cans received value ratings of A- or above.  (I have numbers 12, 13, and 27 in your ranking.)  

 

Something that strikes me is how, even though we are living in what arguably is the "golden age" of headphones, three of your top four have been with us for about 20 years or more.  And to think that Sony, a company for the masses that has such an extensive product line, was capable of making something as sublime as the R10, whereas many of the smaller, more dedicated greats (Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, AKG) have not created anything quite to their level.  Any insight as to why Sony was essentially a one-hit headphone wonder?  With such demonstrated prowess, why abandon high-end headphones?     

 

By the way... Can I be YOU when I grow up?  What a collection!  What an ear!  What articulatory ability!   

Thanks, I appreciate it!!! :)

Regarding Sennheiser, I think they have produced a headphone which rivals/surpasses the R10, its #1 on my list:)

post #3682 of 4981
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post


Regarding Sennheiser, I think they have produced a headphone which rivals/surpasses the R10, its #1 on my list:)

Six Sennheiser Flagships (ranked 1,6,20,21,30,55)

Five Sony Flagships (ranked 3,4,42,43,54)

 

Pretty even there both have two in the top ten.  The Sony R10's (light and bass heavy) I would almost have to group together but from the review they appear to be different enough to warrant separate listings.

 

So here is my engineers brain working again at rankings and data crunching:

 

Manufacturer # on list    Positions
Stax 6 2,5,10,14,15,17
Sennheiser 6 1,6,20,21,30,55
Sony 5 3,4,42,43,54
Grado 4 11,29,39,41
Beyerdynamic 4 13,26,40,45
Westone 4 36,44,49,50
Hifiman 3 9,16,24
Ultrasone 3 18,33,53
AKG 3 19,37,38
Audio-Technnica 3 25,31,57
Shure 3 27,51,52
Audeze 2 8,12
JH Audio 2 22,35
Denon 2 32,46
HE Audio 1 7
Fostex 1 23
Ultimate Ears 1 28
Alessandro 1 34
KAM 1 47
AUDEO 1 48
Sensaphonics 1 56

Edited by bearFNF - 5/11/13 at 8:42am
post #3683 of 4981
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

This part of your post made remember something that I have thought about in passing:
I've always wondered if it was possible to take something like a Beethoven symphony and then a song like Gangnam Style and literally prove beyond all subjectivity that the Beethoven work was a better-constructed and high quality piece of music.  The concept that all art and music has a subjective value puts a real damper on what art and music really is.  I'd like to believe that there are certain fundamental values that are absolute and not a matter of opinion.
+1! Actually, screw that, +5. But with the disclaimer that some music truly IS a matter of opinion. Sometimes you feel more like grilled cheese than caviar, and both have their place. (Just so long as it remains edible and not dirt or fecal matter.)

(Not sure you could prove it logically, though; logic without soul does weird things to music, like serialism.)
Edited by Levaix - 5/11/13 at 10:01am
post #3684 of 4981
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
 
Regarding Sennheiser, I think they have produced a headphone which rivals/surpasses the R10, its #1 on my list:)

 

Ahh... so true!!!  How could I have overlooked #1?  Please forgive my early morning oversight!  Do I get points for taking in the entire review?  tongue_smile.gif

post #3685 of 4981
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post
 
So here is my engineers brain working again at rankings and data crunching...

 

Thanks for crunching those numbers, mate!  My psychologist's brain thanks you!  wink.gif

post #3686 of 4981

One way to compare quality is that in 190 years no one on earth will even know who, what or where Gangnam Style was! It will be a trivia question and that is all.

post #3687 of 4981
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Originally Posted by Byronb View Post

One way to compare quality is that in 190 years no one on earth will even know who, what or where Gangnam Style was! It will be a trivia question and that is all.

Let's make it 190 days. At most. Hopefully.

post #3688 of 4981

This is quite the fantastic set of reviews. This helped me pick out my newest set of cans. Thanks!

post #3689 of 4981
Dave did you have to ever replace the Sony sa5000 cable? Has anyone still successfully used the stock cable?

I am interested in getting these headphones. Could be a collectors item in 10 years. Worried about how practical they are. Some people say their cables fail (bad soldering)
post #3690 of 4981
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Originally Posted by Jehmimah View Post

This is quite the fantastic set of reviews. This helped me pick out my newest set of cans. Thanks!

 

Wich are?

 

I'm the proud owner of numbers 11 (Grado HP1000) and 29 (Grado PS1000), and yes, i can live with those rankings

 

And David, aside from you're reviews being well written , thourough, objective and comprehensive, i find you're answers to people comments, equally objective and respectfull, wich shows a lot of maturity on you're part. So david, you can throw my JOB WELL ONE, on top of the pile of positive comments that you've gotten so far.

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