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You kid, surely......... (sarcasm meter shows off-scale reading)

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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

Headphone amplifiers cannot change the headphones... They only amplify the signal and while they can do it in a bit different way, be of different nature and from the technical point of view synergy differently with various headphones, they simply cannot transform your headphones into something else.

 

There is a lot of exaggeration here on head-fi... I mean A LOT.

There is a lot of exaggeration but an amplifier can indeed change your headphones a lot. One year ago I tested LCD2 and HD800 on Burson HA-160DS and loved the lcd2, and actually did not think twice when choosing the audeze over hd800. Well.. when I heard HD800 on conductor i was blown away, and I got a pair of HD800 too, and now i am not sure which i like more yet, but the HD800 gets more and more headtime. 


The lcd2 really improved with conductor too, less than HD800 but still a big one.


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 4/12/13 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post

There is a lot of exaggeration but an amplifier can indeed change your headphones a lot. One year ago I tested LCD2 and HD800 on Burson HA-160DS and loved the lcd2, and actually did not think twice when choosing the audeze over hd800. Well.. when I heard HD800 on conductor i was blown away, and I got a pair of HD800 too, and now i am not sure which i like more yet, but the HD800 gets more and more headtime. 


The lcd2 really improved with conductor too, less than HD800 but still a big one.


All the headphones I have ever had sounded like the same headphones, whatever amplifier I used with them (tube, solid state, above or up to 500USD, high gain/low gain, high impedance/low impedance, ...)... Maybe except Fiio E11 with bass boost on the highest level basshead.gif

 

For example, I didn't enjoy D7000 on anything... That said, LCD-2 and HD800 were enjoyable even without amplification for me. If I don't like a headphone, amp is never going to change that. If I appreciate another pair, amp can only improve my experience a little bit.


Edited by RustA - 4/12/13 at 4:17am
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The change in sound characteristics in a headphone used with different amps is always subtle when you get to a certain point (mainly price point). But the differences are there, clear to hear. In this hobby a subtle difference will sometimes be described as night and day, an exaggeration of course but this is how it is. But we deal in subtleties in general. I've never heard two amps that sound the same with the same headphones. Especially when you are using a headphone such as the HD800's. They really are a window on your equipment. Any change in the chain can be spotted. 

I wish all amps did sound the same... It would have saved me loadsa money!

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

The change in sound characteristics in a headphone used with different amps is always subtle when you get to a certain point (mainly price point). But the differences are there, clear to hear. In this hobby a subtle difference will sometimes be described as night and day, an exaggeration of course but this is how it is. But we deal in subtleties in general. I've never heard two amps that sound the same with the same headphones. Especially when you are using a headphone such as the HD800's. They really are a window on your equipment. Any change in the chain can be spotted. 
I wish all amps did sound the same... It would have saved me loadsa money!

+1 i agree totally wink.gif
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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post

Hi David, just a quick question. I had a pair of HE 500's and found them very refined but a bit too laid back and boring & also lacking in bass impact. I'm thinking about buying a pair of LCD 2's but I need to be sure they have strong bass impact & presence and that instruments, especially drums, have weight to their sound. Also, are the LCD 2's engaging and fun in comparison to the HE 500's? What is your opinion?

 

The LCD-2 has more weight in its sound and more bass impact than the HE-500.  But also, I would say the LCD-2 is more laid back, but in some ways more engaging because of its fuller sound.  Between the two headphones I would tend to prefer the LCD-2 overall especially in its current revision, dunno if this helps...hopefully:)

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The LCD-2 has more weight in its sound and more bass impact than the HE-500.  But also, I would say the LCD-2 is more laid back, but in some ways more engaging because of its fuller sound.  Between the two headphones I would tend to prefer the LCD-2 overall especially in its current revision, dunno if this helps...hopefully:)
Pricewise u cant compare the two..a more fair comparision would be the he6 and lcd 2 rev2.. Both just above the 1000 euro mark (in the netherlands) and then i think the decision would be much more difficult if u compare both well driven by good quality amps...as both has good bass..imho ofcourse. biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 4/12/13 at 6:49am
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Pricewise u cant compare the two..a more fair comparision would be the he6 and lcd 2 rev2.. Both just above the 1000 euro mark (in the netherlands) and then i think the decision would be much more difficult if u compare both well driven by good quality amps...as both has good bass..imho ofcourse. biggrin.gif

Maybe this is more of a general comment, but headphones have a lot of diff. characteristics, and the Hifiman HE500 signature has some unique 

sonic aspects that make them very special to me, like a wall of sound, where the images are very well defined on an almost movie-screen sized

background, where the musical components are at the same time very palpable and real and also in a large Hollywood Bowl sized venue that

is mostly in front of me. (This is my subjective impression, of course.) And the HE500 bass, while not the most detailed, has a *great*

uniquely satisfying big, firm, earthquake-fundamental tone that I love. The HE500 is not a traditional sound, and may not hit every

audiophile checkbox, but comes together as a big non-fatiguing but thrilling and emotional musical experience, and are amazing for the price,

and even regardless of the price.

 

Audezes (speaking mainly about the LCD3s here)

are more traditional, uh, great-audiophile-speaker sounding to me. Sort of midway between intimate and spacious, with nice detail

but not analytical, detailed and very deep but controlled tight bass, well-placed images, and a very immersing sound.

They don't seem to have any one characteristic that they fall short on, they just seem to have a sound that walks the line

nicely in every area. They are not boring, not fatiguing, just refined all around. They are kind of hard to describe because

you forget about the sound and just listen to the music.

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All the headphones I have ever had sounded like the same headphones, whatever amplifier I used with them (tube, solid state, above or up to 500USD, high gain/low gain, high impedance/low impedance, ...)... Maybe except Fiio E11 with bass boost on the highest level basshead.gif

For example, I didn't enjoy D7000 on anything... That said, LCD-2 and HD800 were enjoyable even without amplification for me. If I don't like a headphone, amp is never going to change that. If I appreciate another pair, amp can only improve my experience a little bit.

Two set ups: DacMagic + Denon receiver, Headamp Pico Dac/Amp. Two drastically different sounds. Prior I had a Nuforce uDac2 with an altogether different sound. /shrug
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Two set ups: DacMagic + Denon receiver, Headamp Pico Dac/Amp. Two drastically different sounds. Prior I had a Nuforce uDac2 with an altogether different sound. /shrug

 

If you hear these DRASTICAL differences, why people even buy headphones? They could just choose one pair they like the most in terms of comfort or ergonomics and then DRASTICALLY influence the sound using amplifiers and DACs.

 

Maybe I should change my PC to get some DRASTICAL improvement/change... Or maybe a 1000USD cable will do the job? Check out some available amps' measurements, all are extremely similar.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AllAmpGraphs.pdf


Edited by RustA - 4/12/13 at 2:50pm
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No measurements! No measurements! Aiiieeeeee!

 

(runs from thread screaming)

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I think differences between amps are more apparent to audiophiles who are attuned to listening for these subtle differences. They can sound like very large differences if you are listening for them specifically. But an average person with no knowledge of audio probably would probably not detect any differences at all between amped and unamped headphones. If they did, it would be inconsequential.

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Yep. It's all relative. Relative enough for me to spend an extra grand or two for the right amp.

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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

If you hear these DRASTICAL differences, why people even buy headphones? They could just choose one pair they like the most in terms of comfort or ergonomics and then DRASTICALLY influence the sound using amplifiers and DACs.

 

Maybe I should change my PC to get some DRASTICAL improvement/change... Or maybe a 1000USD cable will do the job? Check out some available amps' measurements, all are extremely similar.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AllAmpGraphs.pdf

So go with best measurements then?!? Not sure that will make you happy. I agree that the sound differences are sometimes very small. I even agree that sometimes they are very objective sometimes even phantom. But, it is not my, nor anyone else's place to tell someone what they hear. If someone buys a $1,000.00 cable and to him it makes his headphones come to life, who the heck am I to tell him any different. We are all chasing our own version of audio nirvana. 

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Its all relevant. As long as we are still enjoying the music... We are, aren't we? Or are we just looking for sound quality?? 

 

Listening to Haydn piano trio No22 at the mo.  Dammnn it does sound real good :D It's defo worth it! 

 

Nighty night. 

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