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post #3301 of 4946
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Nope - they didn't.

 

Looks to me like you are either

 

A: Trolling

or

B: Tryinig to convince yourself that the extra $600 for the HE-6 for a marginal improvement was worth it

 

It's not a matter of opinion. HiFiMAN did indeed modify the HE-6 driver design for the HE-500, thus making the HE-500 an evolution in their headphone line.

post #3302 of 4946
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Originally Posted by Stalker81598 View Post

 

Looks to me like you are either

 

A: Trolling

or

B: Tryinig to convince yourself that the extra $600 for the HE-6 for a marginal improvement was worth it

 

It's not a matter of opinion. HiFiMAN did indeed modify the HE-6 driver design for the HE-500, thus making the HE-500 an evolution in their headphone line.

 

There are few believers in that HE-6 on speaker amp beats everything, most probably even SR-009 ( = ultimate headphone with no flaw)... yeah, of course.

 

In fact, there are many reviews prefering HE-500. Even David, who happen to prefer HE-6, says that the gap between HE-6 and HE-500 is definitely not big, rather subtle.


Edited by RustA - 3/27/13 at 8:59am
post #3303 of 4946
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Originally Posted by Shazb0t View Post


Well let's see, HiFiMAN designed the HE-6 then later they took the same magnetic driver design and modified it to build the HE-500.

I heard rumors There is a successor of the famous jade in the pipeline..that would be better then the he6 and he500..am keeping my f,ingers crossed if that becomes reality!wink.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/27/13 at 9:17am
post #3304 of 4946

David's not powering his HE-6 with 1000w monoblocks though so he's missing out.

post #3305 of 4946

I have the HE-6 and have been trying to convince myself to downgrade to the HE-500. After having two opportunities to compare them back to back recently, I am finding myself more reluctant to make the downgrade. 

post #3306 of 4946

I have had the 500's until recently, now have the 6's. Run off of the same system (and not the optimal speaker amp supposedly necessary for the HE-6) the difference is not marginal at all. The HE-6 is superior in every way.

post #3307 of 4946
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

David's not powering his HE-6 with 1000w monoblocks though so he's missing out.

 

We are still talking about headphones, right? tongue.gif

post #3308 of 4946

I sold my HE6 to get the HE500 and I am very happy, but I didn't drive the HE6 with a speaker amp, just high-end headphone amps.

Let me just say the the HE500 has a very special sound that lets me listen to them for hours and marvel at the sonics

and forget about any audio-nervosa concerns. I will never let my HE500s go.

 

The problem for me is that I would need a 2nd dedicated amp for the HE6 (more interconnects, more space, using up another set of outputs on my CD player, another power cord) and it's impractical for me. I like to have one dynamic headphone amp to accommodate a whole set of phones, and one stat amp, and that's my limit. A 3rd amp is just too much for me, so think about whether you want to go down this path.

 

I guess if I had unlimited space and $ I would buy a dedicated system just for HE6s, but it's not worth it to me.

(I tried my HE6s on amps like a B52, Rudistor RP010B, and Pinnacle and they did not work out, too piercing in the upper mids and too sharp imaging,

but I believe that's because of insufficient power; I guess a speaker amp is what is needed to make them shine.)

post #3309 of 4946
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

I sold my HE6 to get the HE500 and I am very happy, but I didn't drive the HE6 with a speaker amp, just high-end headphone amps.

Let me just say the the HE500 has a very special sound that lets me listen to them for hours and marvel at the sonics

and forget about any audio-nervosa concerns. I will never let my HE500s go.

 

The problem for me is that I would need a 2nd dedicated amp for the HE6 (more interconnects, more space, using up another set of outputs on my CD player, another power cord) and it's impractical for me. I like to have one dynamic headphone amp to accommodate a whole set of phones, and one stat amp, and that's my limit. A 3rd amp is just too much for me, so think about whether you want to go down this path.

 

I guess if I had unlimited space and $ I would buy a dedicated system just for HE6s, but it's not worth it to me.

(I tried my HE6s on amps like a B52, Rudistor RP010B, and Pinnacle and they did not work out, too piercing in the upper mids and too sharp imaging,

but I believe that's because of insufficient power; I guess a speaker amp is what is needed to make them shine.)

different courses for different horses....

post #3310 of 4946
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

There are few believers in that HE-6 on speaker amp beats everything, most probably even SR-009 ( = ultimate headphone with no flaw)... yeah, of course.

 

"Point them out - where are they"  Fact is - nobody ever said anything like this - Only the HE-6 haters - like you

 

In fact, there are many reviews prefering HE-500. Even David, who happen to prefer HE-6, says that the gap between HE-6 and HE-500 is definitely not big, rather subtle.

 

 

This statement is pointless.  There are few things in this hobby where the gap is big.  Is the LCD-3 worth 1K more than the LCD-2??  NOT.  Try again..  epic fail 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Stalker81598 View Post

 

Looks to me like you are either

 

A: Trolling

 

Mister 44 post count - With a name like Stalker - you might be the troll.  

 

or

B: Tryinig to convince yourself that the extra $600 for the HE-6 for a marginal improvement was worth it

 

I own both.  Yes I would pay the extra for the HE-6 over the HE-500.  It's worth it to me.  Are you counting my money for me?  No - then stay out of my pocket. 

 

 

It's not a matter of opinion. HiFiMAN did indeed modify the HE-6 driver design for the HE-500, thus making the HE-500 an evolution in their headphone line.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Shazb0t View Post

 

"The HE-500 uses a more complicated array of bigger magnets to increase sensitivity over the HE-5LE plus a different diaphragm to improve midrange performance. Sensitivity is 89dB, impedance 38Ω. Our portable players can drive it well. The magnetics are actually the HE-6's. The diaphragm was modified to provide better vocals and bass. The voice coil traces are coiled aluminum, not gold. Then we apply a different treatment to the surface of the HE-500's diaphragm. That makes it different from our HE-5, HE-5LE and HE-4 models. The HE-500 is better than the HE-5LE in almost every way. While the HE-500 lacks the HE-6's ultra clarity, its sonic signature over a regular headphone amplifier is pretty close to that of the HE-6 over a high-end amp."

 

It's not one thing the HE-500 does better than the HE-6 - being marginal or not, including the midrange.  IMO

 

Different drivers:

 

HE-6

 

 

 

 

HE-500

 

 

 

 

-Fang Bian

 

Sounds like they incorporated the magnetics from the HE-6 and a modified driver to tweak some frequency ranges.  Then changed the conductor from gold to thin aluminum.  He doesn't say that it's better than the HE-6, but at $899 when it was introduced, they were clearly related design wise.

 


Edited by preproman - 3/27/13 at 9:34am
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Edited by preproman - 3/27/13 at 9:49am
post #3312 of 4946
Dude, you're just wrong about the design and I proved it. Maybe you should take some time to understand how planar magnetic drivers are made. Yes the conductors are different colors. They must be completely different ^_^ You can go on acting out all you want. All I said was that some people prefer different sounds. Would you like to argue with everyone over that as well?
post #3313 of 4946
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Originally Posted by Shazb0t View Post

Dude, you're just wrong about the design and I proved it. Maybe you should take some time to understand how planar magnetic drivers are made. Yes the conductors are different colors. They must be completely different ^_^ You can go on acting out all you want. All I said was that some people prefer different sounds. Would you like to argue with everyone over that as well?


To be honest, I think people get defensive over your "evolution" part rather than the "preference" part. tongue_smile.gif

post #3314 of 4946
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Originally Posted by Shazb0t View Post

Dude, you're just wrong about the design and I proved it. Maybe you should take some time to understand how planar magnetic drivers are made. Yes the conductors are different colors. They must be completely different ^_^ You can go on acting out all you want. All I said was that some people prefer different sounds. Would you like to argue with everyone over that as well?

 

Dude, I'm not arguing about who prefer what.  I will never question any ones personally opinion.  

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