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Originally Posted by johthor View Post

It is really nice to see the quick responses to the OPs request.  This type of response represents the best of Head Fi as far as I am concerned. This is what keeps me coming back to Head Fi as well as posts such as Davids which are a truly amazing gift to this wonderful hobby.  Many thanks David for your marvelous contribution.  I read the entire post when you first contributed it and continue to monitor on a daily basis.

thanks!!!

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Originally Posted by kl237 View Post

 

 

Thanks for the great advice, looks like I will pursue the Sennheisers. I'm going to visit a store that sells them. I went to a shop today and was really surprised by the Grado PS500, btw. I tried a number of headphones including an HD598 and HE400 but the Grados really stood out --I like the sound they make. They sounded great to me, however the treble was so powerful that it was almost silly and too distracting to listen to music. Anything else you would suggest based on my discovery?

the HE400 is closer sonically to the the PS1000 than the HD600, so you may prefer them:) 

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Originally Posted by fuzzyash View Post

i agree that the hifimans really sound good with hip hop and pop, especially with "warm full bodied sound"

if you live in toronto, visit headfoneshop as they have hifimans there- they're in downtown too

so BBR has the sennheisers and headfoneshop has hifimans to try out

headfoneshop also has ultrasones, beyers and others if you're interested too


+1 for headfoneshop, great service and always better to try on headphones for real before ordering over internet


Edited by musiclife - 3/16/13 at 7:17pm
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Great read. Your article really points out every little detail about the subtle and vast differences in many top of the line headphones. I was wondering if you could do a comparison study in terms of where the AKG K340 ( which ever version) stands in comparison to the top 57 according to your preferences. 

 

Thanks

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David, I still think my idea for you putting this in a book "Headphones Catalogue" would be a good idea. I would buy and print it if it would be pdf, but it also would be nice if it would already have a printed version to buy :D
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Quick recommendation request, if you have a minute, David:

 

I've currently got a HD600 and a HD650. I know that's two great headphones but I'm thinking about complimenting them with a third headphone, something that is still a good value but also different, something that excels where they don't. I like both the HD600 and HD650 a ton. Like lots of people, I prefer the HD600 for strings/quartets (which I listen to a lot) and the HD650 for symphonies; for almost any other genre, I go for the HD650. 

 

I'd like to ultimately have two pairs at the office (where I do 85% of my listening, especially lots of strings and symphonies but occasionally some post rock/new age, etc.) and one at home. What third headphone should I get that gives me what I'm missing out on with the HD600 and HD650? And, if I buy that third, which two would be a great combo at my office and which one for home? (In my office, open headphones are fine.) 

 

Thanks for any ideas you have! 


Edited by imackler - 3/13/13 at 10:22am
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Grado SR-225i
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Originally Posted by xEcuToR View Post

Great read. Your article really points out every little detail about the subtle and vast differences in many top of the line headphones. I was wondering if you could do a comparison study in terms of where the AKG K340 ( which ever version) stands in comparison to the top 57 according to your preferences. 

 

Thanks

Thank you! I would consider the K340.  I don't really have any room left to store headphones at this time though :(

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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

Dan, for some reason it wouldn't show what you wrote.  I will definitely consider the PDF in the future.  I don't know that I would charge for it though:)  It would be nice to make back some money at some point, but I'd probably sell the gear to do that:D

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

Quick recommendation request, if you have a minute, David:

 

I've currently got a HD600 and a HD650. I know that's two great headphones but I'm thinking about complimenting them with a third headphone, something that is still a good value but also different, something that excels where they don't. I like both the HD600 and HD650 a ton. Like lots of people, I prefer the HD600 for strings/quartets (which I listen to a lot) and the HD650 for symphonies; for almost any other genre, I go for the HD650. 

 

I'd like to ultimately have two pairs at the office (where I do 85% of my listening, especially lots of strings and symphonies but occasionally some post rock/new age, etc.) and one at home. What third headphone should I get that gives me what I'm missing out on with the HD600 and HD650? And, if I buy that third, which two would be a great combo at my office and which one for home? (In my office, open headphones are fine.) 

 

Thanks for any ideas you have! 

There's a lot of good ones.  The HE-400 is similarly priced and very different.  More mid-recessed than the Sennheisers with a more detailed presentation.

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

Quick recommendation request, if you have a minute, David:

 

I've currently got a HD600 and a HD650. I know that's two great headphones but I'm thinking about complimenting them with a third headphone, something that is still a good value but also different, something that excels where they don't. I like both the HD600 and HD650 a ton. Like lots of people, I prefer the HD600 for strings/quartets (which I listen to a lot) and the HD650 for symphonies; for almost any other genre, I go for the HD650. 

 

I'd like to ultimately have two pairs at the office (where I do 85% of my listening, especially lots of strings and symphonies but occasionally some post rock/new age, etc.) and one at home. What third headphone should I get that gives me what I'm missing out on with the HD600 and HD650? And, if I buy that third, which two would be a great combo at my office and which one for home? (In my office, open headphones are fine.) 

 

Thanks for any ideas you have! 

I would also have a look at the AKG's flagships. Great for classical, and this is from someone who owned the 650's for 6 year. My current K701's in their newer form (recently discontinued, but you can still buy them new from many places) are pretty much ideal for both orchestral and smaller ensemble. Where as the earlier models did have issues with imaging because of their very wide soundstage. All that is fixed now and what you have is a well balanced and very transparent open soundstage that also has nice  warmth at the lower end. The treble is also pretty much spot on now. These replaced my HE500's for classical, and although they don't have the natural timbre or resolution of the hifimans they do have a more enjoyable, airier soundstage that is more enjoyable for symphonic works. Also piano is reproduced very well.

Maybe more of a complement to the 650's if you want more light and shade, but if you can imagine the 600's with a bigger soundstage, air and transparency, then thats how I find them.

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Thank you! I would consider the K340.  I don't really have any room left to store headphones at this time though :(

Dan, for some reason it wouldn't show what you wrote.  I will definitely consider the PDF in the future.  I don't know that I would charge for it though:)  It would be nice to make back some money at some point, but I'd probably sell the gear to do that:D

There's a lot of good ones.  The HE-400 is similarly priced and very different.  More mid-recessed than the Sennheisers with a more detailed presentation.

I suppose that if i have the HE-400, a good adition with diferent signature would be the hd600?

Im either looking to get the HD600 or sell the HE-400 and get the HE-500....

 

Just dont know whats a better idea, since id be spending moreless the same amount of money based on my country prices.

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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

I suppose that if i have the HE-400, a good adition with diferent signature would be the hd600?

Im either looking to get the HD600 or sell the HE-400 and get the HE-500....

 

Just dont know whats a better idea, since id be spending moreless the same amount of money based on my country prices.


two headphones are better than one:) ....well i dunno, its not always the case.  But I would personally rather have the HE400, HD600 than just the HE500.

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Not me the 500 is heaven
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post


two headphones are better than one:) ....well i dunno, its not always the case.  But I would personally rather have the HE400, HD600 than just the HE500.


David, do you think it's worth having both HE-400 and HE-500, or are they too similar to make sense keeping both?
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The K340 is a strange strange beast. I thought it was great rocking out to Metallica. Not so much for an acoustic session. It behaved oddly depending on amps too, from my recollection. It's been a long time since I've had one though, so I'm grasping at memory. Was the K340 ever a "flagship"?

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David, do you think it's worth having both HE-400 and HE-500, or are they too similar to make sense keeping both?
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They are actually very different in their tone.  If you have both, I can't tell you if it is worth it, because that is a personal decision.  But if you are considering acquiring one and already have the other, it may be something that you'll enjoy. If you enjoy the sound signature of one of them, but are looking for a different tone to compliment it, I think its a good choice!

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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

thanks!!!

the HE400 is closer sonically to the the PS1000 than the HD600, so you may prefer them:) 

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: Opinions from a non-audiophile, this review is reflective of my personal tastes which is different from everyone else's. 

 

So I went to the high end audio shop and tested out these headphones, all connected to a high quality amp simultaneously so you can easily switch between headphones instantaneously. I tested them out with alternative/classic/modern rock, and hip hop on a number of songs. There were about 20 other headphones but I wasn't interested in listening to them. 

 

Sennheiser HD650

Sennheiser HD700

Sennheiser HD800

Sennheiser HD598

Sennheiser HD280

AKG Q701 Quincy Jones

Beats by Dre

Beats by Dre Pro

Grado PS1000

Grado PS500

Grado GS1000

Grado RS2i

Grado RS325is

 

This is the order I liked them in: 

 

PS500

HD700/800

------------------------ (this signifies large jump in how much I liked the headphones).

RS2i

RS325is

PS1000 

GS1000

HD650

HD598

Q701

Beats

 

 

There's two profound things that I gathered after listening: 1. The grado PS500/RS2/325is clarity of treble/highs is ridiculously good by a large margin compared to the rest. 2. The HD700/800 vocals sound like the person singing is standing right there next to you. 

 

So this is what I realized: Music is about how it makes you feel. I didn't enjoy listening to music from the HD650s any more than I would listening to regular iPhone buds even though everyone loves them here. I just think they sound plain and boring. I have no idea how else to describe it. I understand now what people say when they mean the sound is "fun". The Grado PS500s were on a completely different level than all the other ones mentioned. Even compared to the RS2/PS1000 I felt they were very entertaining. The details on the highs and how you can hear every little guitar lick was incredible, plus the lows really captured that "warm room filling sound" I was looking for. I feel that the PS500's blew everything else minus the HD700/800s out of the water. On the flip side, the HD700/800s realistic sounding voices felt like you were standing in the recording studio. However, I noticed the highs were muffled and muted. The highs didn't sound anything like the PS500s and it felt there was a good chunk of music missing that the Grados were playing.

 

I found the HD650s and HD598 had a very similar sound, but it was not one that I liked, it was kind of dull and boring. I don't know how to describe it. The Q701 sounded thin which I did not like. The Beats were horrible --I thought people here were over exaggerating to prove a point, but they really are junk. 325iS sounded like the bass was missing, I did not like that. The PS1000 I disliked a lot, I'd rather have the 325iS over these --they sounded so different compared to the other Grados (it's as if an entirely different company made them). RS2s were great, just wish they had more low end like the PS500s, otherwise similar sounding, but much less bass.

 

 

CONCLUSION: At $650 the PS500s I felt were the best, the only concern I had was that the sound was too bright, and that anything over an hour of listening would start to become tiring. The HD700s at $1100 were the second best, but I didn't like that the highs are completely missing that the Grados had, but I now understand what "flat" means when referring to sound. Also, I understand why you can listen to music for hours on these whereas you can't on the PS500s.

 

VERDICT: Why would I consider buying anything else than the PS500? I can use all of these headphones at home, however the rest of these headphones are too big to walk with outside, and require an amp. Whereas the PS500s can be taken anywhere, hooked up to my iphone, and I won't look silly walking around with them with an amp in my pants. lol

 


QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE HERE:

 

1. Can you guys point out which headphones have a very similar sound to the PS500s? DON'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION if you haven't heard the PS500s. The RS2/325/PS1000 don't sound like this headphone and you wouldn't understand what I mean if you haven't listened to it. 

 

2. If I could create the "perfect" headphones for MYSELF, I would take the PS500, add the vocal quality from the HD700, and turn down the treble just a tad. Does a headphone out there exist like this?????

 

3. Any advice/tips of which headphones I should listen to before I commit to buying a pair? This will be my only pair of headphones, and I plan on keeping these headphones until they break (which means over 10 years).

 

 

Thanks again guys for the help. Don't take any negative comments I made above personally because I'm just a beginner with a very particular preference of sound. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE!!!!!

 

I look forward to hearing what recommendations you guys have or advice/tips. I plan on giving the Hifiman HE400/HE500s a listen tomorrow at another store since David recommended them. 


Edited by kl237 - 3/14/13 at 10:09pm
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