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post #2866 of 4945
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

The LCD-3s have more heft/punch. But the details and layering of the SR-009's bass wins it for me. They have more punch than say the HD800s. Overall all of my headphones sound "muddy" next to the SR009s. Not to slag my LCD-3/HD800/TH900s they are wonderful headphones and they're not going anywhere anytime soon. But the SR009s raise the bar to a whole new level

 

I agree with this mostly. :)

post #2867 of 4945

Despite insulation in the walls and attic, weather stripping around the doors and windows, head-fi allowed Lust to creep inside my home anyway!

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post #2868 of 4945

Honestly, guys, I liked the LCD-3's better then the SR-009's but then I liked the HD800 better then both of those with the DNA Stratus. I listened to other HD800's on other setups but with the Stratus, the HD800's were BEAUTIFUL. 

post #2869 of 4945
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Honestly, guys, I liked the LCD-3's better then the SR-009's but then I liked the HD800 better then both of those with the DNA Stratus. I listened to other HD800's on other setups but with the Stratus, the HD800's were BEAUTIFUL. 

You may certainly prefer the LCD-3s. No questions here. They are fantastic headphones. I've owned them since Day 1. Sent them back in April to be updated to the new RMA version and they got even better. The HD800s are fantastic too. Simply the best I've heard them is on my GS-X. I prefer them with the HeadAmp amp more than the Liquid Fire, WA2, or WA22. Nice as well owning all three to compare side by side since last October.

 

But that said, technically the SR-009s slay the LCD-3s and HD800s. And to my preferences indicate that the SR009s get the vast majority of my head time. They are truly end game headphones!

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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

Despite insulation in the walls and attic, weather stripping around the doors and windows, head-fi allowed Lust to creep inside my home anyway!

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You forgot to put gasgets under the lightswitch and outlet panels, spray foam around the air vents (laundry, kitchen, bathroom, toilet), and double check your foundation where lust can dig in like mice escaping the winter. 

post #2871 of 4945
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

But that said, technically the SR-009s slay the LCD-3s and HD800s. And to my preferences indicate that the SR009s get the vast majority of my head time. They are truly end game headphones!

That seems like a bit of a stretch. When I tried them today, they actually sounded fairly similar to the HD800's to me, except the SR-009's had much better bass (the best of the top-tier headphones IMO), and had an overall more 'liquidy'/'creamy' texture (but quite different from the LCD-2's texture). And while I really liked those two aspects about it, I'm not sure if it's enough to denote it head-and-shoulders above the HD800's (without even getting into the financial aspect... lol)

post #2872 of 4945
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

That seems like a bit of a stretch. When I tried them today, they actually sounded fairly similar to the HD800's to me, except the SR-009's had much better bass (the best of the top-tier headphones IMO), and had an overall more 'liquidy'/'creamy' texture (but quite different from the LCD-2's texture). And while I really liked those two aspects about it, I'm not sure if it's enough to denote it head-and-shoulders above the HD800's (without even getting into the financial aspect... lol)

Really, not a stretch IMO. My HD800s seemed muddy in comparison (as great as they are). That was right away too. Now after 4 months of actually having these 3 great headphones with me, I still feel the same way.

post #2873 of 4945
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That seems like a bit of a stretch. When I tried them today, they actually sounded fairly similar to the HD800's to me, except the SR-009's had much better bass (the best of the top-tier headphones IMO), and had an overall more 'liquidy'/'creamy' texture (but quite different from the LCD-2's texture). And while I really liked those two aspects about it, I'm not sure if it's enough to denote it head-and-shoulders above the HD800's (without even getting into the financial aspect... lol)

Really, not a stretch IMO. My HD800s seemed muddy in comparison (as great as they are). That was right away too. Now after 4 months of actually having these 3 great headphones with me, I still feel the same way.

That's kind of a scary thought now that I think about it. And I thought the HD800 sounded really clean, well-defined, and detailed..... :o

post #2874 of 4945
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That's kind of a scary thought now that I think about it. And I thought the HD800 sounded really clean, well-defined, and detailed..... :o

Exactly. That's how I feel about the HD800s. I've had my pair of HD800s for 3 years now and paired them with some really killer amps/dacs like the GS-X (with upgraded modules), Liquid Fire (with a quad of E88CC Siemens tubes), WA22, WA2, W4S DAC-2, and Cary XCiter DAC. Sadly for my wallet, these were all owned by me; though not at the same time tongue.gif (FWIW, I still have the GS-X and W4S DAC-2). 

 

But comparatively both zare and I found the HD800s a bit on the muddy side. Again, to stress in absolute terms the HD800s are wonderfully detailed and articulate, my comments are purely from a comparative point of view that we both experienced. 

post #2875 of 4945

Well, different strokes I guess. I honestly didn't find the SR-009 that much more detailed. If anything, its texture initially led me to believe they were the 'muddier' of the two, but after a few listens, it became clear that it was just a different style of presenting the same information. Could've been the amp though...

post #2876 of 4945
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

Well, different strokes I guess. I honestly didn't find the SR-009 that much more detailed. If anything, its texture initially led me to believe they were the 'muddier' of the two, but after a few listens, it became clear that it was just a different style of presenting the same information. Could've been the amp though...

Unless the amp was a dynamic headphone amp, I can't understand how anyone can make this statement? Really, are you sure they were the SR-009s? tongue.gif Could be defective headphones, amp, source?

post #2877 of 4945
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Unless the amp was a dynamic headphone amp, I can't understand how anyone can make this statement? Really, are you sure they were the SR-009s? tongue.gif Could be defective headphones, amp, source?

Not gonna toss out that possibility, since I hadn't heard any other SR-009's before, but Imma go ahead and assume that it's unlikely tongue_smile.gif

Don't get me wrong, I did feel they were a noticeable upgrade from the HD800's and am very envious of their bass; but in terms of detail, I just didn't make out that much more detail (and I listen quite critically, as I have to for my mixing hobby). It does make the HD800 seem more 'distorted' I guess? Not really muddy, I don't think I'd be able to call the HD800 muddy even relative to something else, cause it just gives the wrong impression; I think 'distorted' would be a more accurate adjective. And that's only because the SR-009's were so liquidy smooth... am I supposed to interpret that as additional detail? Cause in terms of making out the information contained in the recordings, they really seemed to be about equal (minus the bass, obviously)

post #2878 of 4945
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

Not gonna toss out that possibility, since I hadn't heard any other SR-009's before, but Imma go ahead and assume that it's unlikely tongue_smile.gif

Don't get me wrong, I did feel they were a noticeable upgrade from the HD800's and am very envious of their bass; but in terms of detail, I just didn't make out that much more detail (and I listen quite critically, as I have to for my mixing hobby). It does make the HD800 seem more 'distorted' I guess? Not really muddy, I don't think I'd be able to call the HD800 muddy even relative to something else, cause it just gives the wrong impression; I think 'distorted' would be a more accurate adjective. And that's only because the SR-009's were so liquidy smooth... am I supposed to interpret that as additional detail? Cause in terms of making out the information contained in the recordings, they really seemed to be about equal (minus the bass, obviously)

Might be the upstream gear wasn't up to snuff too? But honestly with 4 months with the SR009s, I'm hearing stuff on recordings that both my HD800s and LCD-3s have kept hidden from me. Thus my comment using the term "slay". smile.gif

post #2879 of 4945

Heya,

 

Which headphones would someone recommend me getting?
Im new to these forums :)
as well as the hi-fi world!

 

Thank you,

post #2880 of 4945
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Might be the upstream gear wasn't up to snuff too? But honestly with 4 months with the SR009s, I'm hearing stuff on recordings that both my HD800s and LCD-3s have kept hidden from me. Thus my comment using the term "slay". smile.gif

Again, it's possible, and this was all at a meet, so I can't make any solid conclusions, but the gear did all seem pretty good (though admittedly, I didn't pay nearly as much attention to it as the actual headphones themselves). Also, I noticed that you mentioned pairing the HD800's with several tube amps in your earlier post; have you given them a thorough shot on a good solid state amp by any chance? All the tube amps that I've tried the HD800's with easily caused them to have a bit less detail than even my little O2 amp... still wouldn't have considered them 'muddy' necessarily, but they definitely felt hindered in the detail department.


Edited by oblique63 - 2/17/13 at 9:51pm
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