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Yep and yep. I won't harp on the HE-500's again, but that's exactly the problem I had with them. The "best part of the music" was the hardest to enjoy. Too distant & not integrated with the rest of the spectrum. Instantly frustrating.
Jerg made the perfect mod for the he500!!!! Maybe it will solve the issues u have with the he500? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

I own the 337se, and I actually like the energy and dynamics of the  Lyr with the HE-500 over it, even with the upgraded tubes it was much less expensive then  the standard 337. 
Oh ok..first of all..the standard chinese tubes of the 337 are rubbish..i tried the lyr also on a meet with an open mind as i know many people are loving this amp..and compared to my 337 it sounded a bit muddy ..but yeah ur right..the lyr is a much more in ur face amp..more bass more agression..but did u try ur 337se with tungsols gt mesh plates ( or the rca 5693 reds) as drivers and tungsols 5998 (high gain!) as powertubes? As i used to have other tubes..svetlana's and bendix 6080 with solid graphite plates and the sound was by far less dynamic and velvetly..less balanced..narrower soundstage...the bass was also not natural sounding..now it goes all the way down..and punchy..the lyr has a harder punch..but lesser control...ofcourse its all imho. Dont get me wrong..The lyr is a unbelievable deal for the price! The 337 is much more expensive if u also buy the tubes i have now..but the sound..
But am curious about the mighty mjolnir..and am in luck ..a local headfier has one..so i hope to meet him this month and listen to it intensivly with my he500 biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/18/13 at 2:46am
post #2433 of 4945
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

David ... you forgot to add this to your K501 review.  "Acoustic masters" wink.gif

 

 

 

+1

 

Right now I am listening to Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" on my new K501 and it is just amazing. Dare I say it is a more human experience than my k701 or HD650. I am really thrilled with this headphone's ability to sound "genuine".

 

 

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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

Are the HD800's on another level from the K501s when it comes to reproducing acoustic music?

 

 


 

My personal opinion is NO. I have heard HD800 and have to say that although they have better resolution and bass extension they are not in another league when it comes to naturalness. I also listen to a great deal of classical music and jazz and k501 is a pure joy. I think I will buy another pair just in case something happens to the pair I own right now, wink.gif

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I'm very curious about this K501 . I've just picked a used pair in ( apparently) mint condition for 70€ . I hope i will love it enough to keep it for when I'm in a "classical music" mood. rolleyes.gif


Edited by Sorrodje - 1/18/13 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

David ... you forgot to add this to your K501 review.  "Acoustic masters" wink.gif

 

Are the HD800's on another level from the K501s when it comes to reproducing acoustic music?

 

Musical Journey For those interested.  

Track 3.  Concentrate on the accordion.  The flubbering when he depresses are breathtaking (stage right aka NE aka 45 degrees right from center).  Kobain's descent, dip followed by a raise in vocal tone @ 3:36.  The intricacies are throughout this great listen!

 

 

Darn, album finished.  Moving onto...

 

 

 

^^^ Between them and Radiohead, I'm not sure who's more doom and gloom.  Moving to...

 

 

 

^^^ Prior to David I tried...

 

 

File written with CompuPic(R) - Photodex Corporation (http://www.photodex.com)

 

... but it was too painful of a listen. The 'bright' background of the K501's w/ the forward midrange and emphasized treble due to lack of bottom end is not suited for electric guitars.

 

Soul Asylum - Runaway Train / Without a Trace -- sound great as well.  I'm seeing a pattern here.

 

Joan Osborne - One of Us.  The guitar amp feedback can be heard during the intro on the right and is quickly adjusted.  Great song as well with a killer solo.  Recognize!

I personally feel that the HD800 are on another level from the K501 regarding acoustic music.  But the K501s are wonderful.  By the way, I love both the Nirvana and AIC albums, but I've always been more partial to the AIC Unplugged because I feel that that is their definitive album, and every song on it is better (to me) than the original electric version.  My favorite Nirvana album is In Utero.
 

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This review was much MUCH more than I expected. Thank you very much.

 

If you are able I would like you to do one for headphone amps too! atsmile.gif

Thanks!!

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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

 

+1

 

Right now I am listening to Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" on my new K501 and it is just amazing. Dare I say it is a more human experience than my k701 or HD650. I am really thrilled with this headphone's ability to sound "genuine".

 

 


 

My personal opinion is NO. I have heard HD800 and have to say that although they have better resolution and bass extension they are not in another league when it comes to naturalness. I also listen to a great deal of classical music and jazz and k501 is a pure joy. I think I will buy another pair just in case something happens to the pair I own right now, wink.gif

Love Astral Weeks, its a great record to really zone out from your life.

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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

I'm very curious about this K501 . I've just picked a used pair in ( apparently) mint condition for 70€ . I hope i will love it enough to keep it for when I'm in a "classical music" mood. rolleyes.gif

I think you will:) but if not..... sell em:)

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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

I'm very curious about this K501 . I've just picked a used pair in ( apparently) mint condition for 70€ . I hope i will love it enough to keep it for when I'm in a "classical music" mood. rolleyes.gif

OMG, 70€ It's a steal! smile.gif

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Hi David, how would you compare the TH900 to the LCD3? I have read several comparisons and I am still not sure which to buy

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

For me..

 

HE-6 --> HE-5LE --> HE-4 --> HE-500 --> HE-400

 

I use stock Denon Dx000s pads on all mine.

 

Waiting to get my hands on a pair of HE-5s

Dont know about Denons but I also prefer HE5LE with pleather pads. You could try to remove grills and get rid of foams. Paired with good copper cable ( I use DHC Molecule) I hear only advantages of it. Paired with good equipment I hear their great potential. Even changing IC is more pronounced than ever.

I hope David gets opportunity to hear it and share his opinion.

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Originally Posted by engelhaft View Post

Hi David, how would you compare the TH900 to the LCD3? I have read several comparisons and I am still not sure which to buy

 

If I'm directly comparing them I would say something like this:

 

TH900 has a very natural, euphonious sound that is great with most music.  It is detailed, but not as much as the LCD-3.  It soundstage is wide, though not quite as large as the LCD-3.  It is closed back though, which is of great benefit.  It is drastically more comfortable.  It doesn't have a detachable cable though.  And maybe most importantly, you can drive it with almost anything and still get good results.  It may be a little too sensitive in some ways though.

 

LCD3 is darker than the TH900, but more revealing (I consider this a wonderful anomaly).  Both headphones are forgiving though.  The LCD-3 is more picky regarding amplification and not nearly as comfortable.  It is also open back.  

 

When they are both amped to their best, sonically I think you're comparing a dark, but revealing and expressive sound-signature (LCD-3) to a euphonic yet smooth and sultry sound signature (TH900)

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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

 

+1

 

Right now I am listening to Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" on my new K501 and it is just amazing. Dare I say it is a more human experience than my k701 or HD650. I am really thrilled with this headphone's ability to sound "genuine".

 

 


 

My personal opinion is NO. I have heard HD800 and have to say that although they have better resolution and bass extension they are not in another league when it comes to naturalness. I also listen to a great deal of classical music and jazz and k501 is a pure joy. I think I will buy another pair just in case something happens to the pair I own right now, wink.gif

Thank you for your HD800 impressions.  I really have no reason to "upgrade" or "side grade" to the HD800 as the K501's do sound so natural and fluid.  Evaluating my options is all :)

 

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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

I'm very curious about this K501 . I've just picked a used pair in ( apparently) mint condition for 70€ . I hope i will love it enough to keep it for when I'm in a "classical music" mood. rolleyes.gif

Classical, vocal, acoustic and jazz (though that's my least listened to genre) are sublime on the K501's.  You are in for a treat.

post #2441 of 4945
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Originally Posted by zibra View Post

Dont know about Denons but I also prefer HE5LE with pleather pads. You could try to remove grills and get rid of foams. Paired with good copper cable ( I use DHC Molecule) I hear only advantages of it. Paired with good equipment I hear their great potential. Even changing IC is more pronounced than ever.

I hope David gets opportunity to hear it and share his opinion.

And maybe try out my mod for the pleathers to further push the pleather advantage? Shameless self-plug haha.

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Thanks for  your help here David.

 

I am just starting at this hobby, so far I have just listened some Shure IEMs(being the 420 the highest I gone with Shure), Sony MDR-EX1000 the M50 and my best IEM right now is a CIEM Frogbeats C4 so right now I just have a portable amp the RSA SR-71B. I would like to get the best sound quality on a full size headphone but I would take some time to get a desktop amp so would I be lossing to much if I chose the LCD3 with that source? is really that big the difference when you change from amp to amp using the LCD3? would you recommend better the TH900 if I do not have a really top quality dektop amp?

 

Sorry for the ton of questions jejeje, just trying to do some research before buying an expensive equipement bigsmile_face.gif

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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

 

If I'm directly comparing them I would say something like this:

 

TH900 has a very natural, euphonious sound that is great with most music.  It is detailed, but not as much as the LCD-3.  It soundstage is wide, though not quite as large as the LCD-3.  It is closed back though, which is of great benefit.  It is drastically more comfortable.  It doesn't have a detachable cable though.  And maybe most importantly, you can drive it with almost anything and still get good results.  It may be a little too sensitive in some ways though.

 

LCD3 is darker than the TH900, but more revealing (I consider this a wonderful anomaly).  Both headphones are forgiving though.  The LCD-3 is more picky regarding amplification and not nearly as comfortable.  It is also open back.  

 

When they are both amped to their best, sonically I think you're comparing a dark, but revealing and expressive sound-signature (LCD-3) to a euphonic yet smooth and sultry sound signature (TH900)

post #2443 of 4945
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

Thank you for your HD800 impressions.  I really have no reason to "upgrade" or "side grade" to the HD800 as the K501's do sound so natural and fluid.  Evaluating my options is all :)

 

 

It is easy to be blinded by the price-difference. The actual difference in sound quality between k501 and HD800 is not so big. And the difference between k701 and HD800 is even smaller wink.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

Classical, vocal, acoustic and jazz (though that's my least listened to genre) are sublime on the K501's.  You are in for a treat.

 

 

I am so jealous he found a mint k501 for €70! smile.gif It is a steal. If they are in mint condition they are worth at least the double price.


Edited by muxamed - 1/18/13 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by engelhaft View Post

Thanks for  your help here David.

 

I am just starting at this hobby, so far I have just listened some Shure IEMs(being the 420 the highest I gone with Shure), Sony MDR-EX1000 the M50 and my best IEM right now is a CIEM Frogbeats C4 so right now I just have a portable amp the RSA SR-71B. I would like to get the best sound quality on a full size headphone but I would take some time to get a desktop amp so would I be lossing to much if I chose the LCD3 with that source? is really that big the difference when you change from amp to amp using the LCD3? would you recommend better the TH900 if I do not have a really top quality dektop amp?

 

Sorry for the ton of questions jejeje, just trying to do some research before buying an expensive equipement bigsmile_face.gif


in your case, i would recommend the TH900 over the LCD-3, though the SR71B should be able to power the LCD-3 somewhat, it would not be ideal.  The TH900 is very sensitive, you may find yourself in the at about 8 oclock on the volume knob.

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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

It is easy to be blinded by the price-difference. The actual difference in sound quality between k501 and HD800 is not so big. And the difference between k701 and HD800 is even smaller wink.gif

 

 

 

I am so jealous he found a mint k501 for €70! smile.gif It is a steal. If they are in mint condition they are worth at least the double price.

 

If i don't like it , i will sell it to you for 150€ shipped biggrin.gif . But, unfortunately , i hope to keep it k701smile.gif

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