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post #1276 of 5021
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Originally Posted by silversurfer616 View Post

Have the LCD2Rev2 and HE500;also had at the same time Audio GD Phoenix and O2 amp and I sold the O2.

Now why is that,you might ask MHOE?

Because the O2 couldn't tickle out as much as the the Phoenix is able to do.

Which means the LCD2 sounded so much richer on everything/better out of the Phoenix

 

Amp is supposed to amplify the signal and/or decrease the output impedance only... I use it also because of ODAC unit installed inside so no need to use any analog cable except for the one of LCD2s. I do not want any colorations, hiss or harmonic distortion. I love the option to easily switch gain resistors whenever I want in order to get the safest and clearest amplification.

 

Do you still recommend Audio GD Phoenix to me?

post #1277 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

Amp is supposed to amplify the signal and/or decrease the output impedance only... I use it also because of ODAC unit installed inside so no need to use any analog cable except for the one of LCD2s. I do not want any colorations, hiss or harmonic distortion. I love the option to easily switch gain resistors whenever I want in order to get the safest and clearest amplification.

Do you still recommend Audio GD Phoenix to me?
Hey mhoe..what i think he means is..with all due respect..try other amps for a couple of hours each..and maybe u will be surprised how much nicer ur lcd 2 rev 2 or any other nice can can sound then ur experiencing now..but the audio gd phoenix is indeed a very nice amp. I heard it once for a short while with a t1 and it was pretty good as far i can remember. Good luck with your search!
post #1278 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

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Originally Posted by silversurfer616 View Post

Have the LCD2Rev2 and HE500;also had at the same time Audio GD Phoenix and O2 amp and I sold the O2.

Now why is that,you might ask MHOE?

Because the O2 couldn't tickle out as much as the the Phoenix is able to do.

Which means the LCD2 sounded so much richer on everything/better out of the Phoenix

 

Amp is supposed to amplify the signal and/or decrease the output impedance only... I use it also because of ODAC unit installed inside so no need to use any analog cable except for the one of LCD2s. I do not want any colorations, hiss or harmonic distortion. I love the option to easily switch gain resistors whenever I want in order to get the safest and clearest amplification.

 

Do you still recommend Audio GD Phoenix to me?

 

I recommend it, as I'm using one right now. It was designed to be completely colourless and perform in a completely linear manner. It has been superseded by the Reference 8 however. 

post #1279 of 5021
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

 

I recommend it, as I'm using one right now. It was designed to be completely colourless and perform in a completely linear manner. It has been superseded by the Reference 8 however. 


Does the amp pass all my requirements mentioned above (including DAC  section  that is better than ODAC,and SIPs for  switching  gain  resistors? And how much does it cost? 

post #1280 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post


Does the amp pass all my requirements mentioned above (including DAC  section  that is better than ODAC,and SIPs for  switching  gain  resistors? And how much does it cost? 

 

It is around 1100 :D And it might be discontinued, I dunno.

post #1281 of 5021
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

 

It is around 1100 :D And it might be discontinued, I dunno.

 


Seems like I am not going to be crazy enough to spend thousands od dollars for an amp whenI actually do not need to amplify anything (1x gain).


Edited by MHOE - 11/25/12 at 6:02am
post #1282 of 5021
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post

 

Thanks! btw that's funny.... It seems I need to put the Rev 2 in here.

Yes, please. I am highly interested.

post #1283 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post


Does the amp pass all my requirements mentioned above (including DAC  section  that is better than ODAC,and SIPs for  switching  gain  resistors? And how much does it cost? 

It would be futile to answer this question since you've already decided the answer in your mind before even listening.
post #1284 of 5021

The problem is, you're entering that requirement with a personal bias.  Tyll's already gone and measured a couple amps, and for the most part they all measure extremely well.  Almost all will have noise floor, ruler flat frequency response and distortion numbers well below the audible threshold, yet those well measuring ones will sound different.  There's more to the sound of an amp than just the measurements.  It is likely you might be entering with the idea that any amp that sounds different from the O2 is inherently colored and flawed as well.  Instead, you should just use your ears for once, and determine which amp sounds better for you, and how it relates with the other amps you've compared.  There are no absolutes in this hobby, only relative statements.

 

There are headphones which measure better than the LCD-2.  The HD800 itself is the king of technicalities.  HE-6 is another technical powerhouse, as well as many electrostatics.


Edited by TMRaven - 11/25/12 at 8:29am
post #1285 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

Do any of those cost less than O2 and include better DAC than ODAC (and pass all the other requirements I have)? If yes, post reference for your claim please...

 

HD800 measure better than both rev2 and HE-6... HE-6 is nowhere near HD800 in terms of technical excellence. Rev2 is closer than HE-6, rev1 is not.

HD800 do not have desirable FR graph to justify their price of 1500USD. HE-6 do not have desirable graph as well + is too difficult to drive to consider it as a valuable phone for me.

 

Electrostatic phones do not interest me enough... Not desirable FR graph (excluding extremely expensive SR009).

 

Any other suggestion?

 

Did you not read Currawong's post to you earlier?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

 

Trashing headphones and other products you have no experience with is strongly frowned-upon here. Maybe if you wished to take a scientific approach -- that is, actually investigating for yourself with a number of amps and learning how they work and even building your own and experimenting and seeing how they perform with various headphones, it will generate a lot of interesting discussion and will be a good experience for you. Pointing to graphs and saying "This is right and that is wrong" will not. If you think it is possible to do so, you should read the thread about this year's AES paper if you want to get an idea how complex the subject of headphone measurements really are.

 

That all being said, I'm going to suggest your own thread to discuss this if you wish to continue, from your very next post, in fact. smile.gif

post #1286 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

Tell the others to stop telling things without giving any clues to find out the truth... Yes, read it.

I guess you haven't read it then. confused.gif

post #1287 of 5021

I'm starting to think this is some kind of trolling

post #1288 of 5021

Amplifiers/DACS do make a big difference. 

 

I had the HD650 paired with the Meyers' Corda Cantate2. It was way better than on Asus Essence ST. Then I paired it with the Burson HA-160ds. Before the Burson i liked the hd650. With the burson I loved them.

 

Then I "betrayed" the Hd650 and got the LCD2 rev3 which I paired with the HA-160DS.

 

I had both the HD800 and the LCD2 rev 2 each for a week to test before I decided to go with the LCD2 rev3.

 

I have liked the HD800 very much. I have felt the technical masterpiece, but i liked much more listening to music with the LCD2.

 

Very little time afterwards, Darku gave me the chance to listen to both cans paired with Bursons' new product : The Conductor (which has a better and powerful amplifier and better dac).

 

The differences were huge. I always felt that the LCD2 can do better. On the Conductor i felt they gave their best. It felt like I truly listened to the cans for the first time.

 

The interesting thing is that I also loved the HD800 with the Conductor. I changed my opinion of it . It was much more musical. It had a wider soundstage, a better bass impact, the brightness was gone. I started liking listening to rock for the first time on HD800. 

 

So the amplifier/dac makes a huge difference!

 

 

 

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Thanks! btw that's funny.... It seems I need to put the Rev 2 in here.

 

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Originally Posted by haquocdung View Post

Yes, please. I am highly interested.

 

I subscribe. I am very interested in your opinion about it too, David . :D


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 11/25/12 at 8:52am
post #1289 of 5021
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

Do any of those cost less than O2 and include better DAC than ODAC (and pass all the other requirements I have)? If yes, post reference for your claim please...

 

HD800 measure better than both rev2 and HE-6... HE-6 is nowhere near HD800 in terms of technical excellence. Rev2 is closer than HE-6, rev1 is not.

HD800 do not have desirable FR graph to justify their price of 1500USD. HE-6 do not have desirable graph as well + is too difficult to drive to consider it as a valuable phone for me.

 

Electrostatic phones do not interest me enough... Not desirable FR graph (excluding extremely expensive SR009).

 

Any other suggestion?

 

 

I'm not trying to sway you away from the LCD-2, I'm just merely giving examples of other headphones that do extremely well on paper.  If YOU already thoroughly enjoy the LCD2, there's no reason to not keep enjoying it.

post #1290 of 5021
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

 

I'm not trying to sway you away from the LCD-2, I'm just merely giving examples of other headphones that do extremely well on paper.  If YOU already thoroughly enjoy the LCD2, there's no reason to not keep enjoying it.

 

I have no problem to agree on that HD800 are technically better than LCD-2 rev2... I just have problem to agree on this statement with LCD-3 and HE-6, when both measure significantly worse (five different pairs of LCD-3, all of them not neutral as rev2 + worse technical results as well).

 

I do not say they are not going to be better for a lot of people... I just have problem to see anyone shouting out that phone X measure better than phone Y when it's simply nowhere near reality. The same goes with neutrality.

 

And the same goes with amps. Even Tyll claims O2 as a top performer. Show me a better amp+DAC under 1000USD (price/performance) with relevant evidence and I will gladly apologize you. ,-)


Edited by MHOE - 11/25/12 at 9:00am
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