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post #1216 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:04am

Well there is not a single HIFIman headphone hated by others :) From HE-300 through HE-400 and HE-500 as well as the HE-5LE up to HE-6...

 

Even though graphs might tell otherwise, HE-400 is considered a tremendous value (as anything else HIFIman though :D)

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post #1217 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:09am
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Now, have you heard the HE-400?

 

No need to hear them...

 

Their measurement is not impressive enough in almost every aspect. In this case (when technical ability is not stunning) I would want the FR graph to be near-to-satisfactory (read balanced) but it is not in the treble especially.

 

But I am not saying they are bad! Just HE-500 are way better and a lot more justify their price without any doubt IMHO...


Edited by MHOE - 11/24/12 at 11:12am
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post #1218 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:15am

I completely agree dude, there really is no need to hear them.  I mean just look at that suckout and treble spike in the frequency charts!  Those things must so unbalanced that they're unlistenable. 

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post #1219 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:15am
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Well there is not a single HIFIman headphone hated by others :) From HE-300 through HE-400 and HE-500 as well as the HE-5LE up to HE-6...

 

I would not say that... I have spoken with slovakian seller that have heard Hifimans in comparison to Audeze with 8 customers and another slovakian seller, all of them were amazed by Audeze and didn't enjoy hifimans very much. I was surprised but he told me that he would never spend 700USD on HE-500. However, LCD-2's quality fully justify the price of 1000USD (1000EURO in SK) for him

 

I do not take it as a clear thing but do not think everyone loves Hifiman... If you want a proof, I can resend you the e-mail I have received from him.

 

To clear up: They have heard Audeze LCD-2 and LCD-3 along with HE-500. The seller himself heard HE-6 as well... Didn't like them much as well. He would put LCD-2 over all Hifimans...


Edited by MHOE - 11/24/12 at 11:28am
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post #1220 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:30am
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I would not say that... I have spoken with slovakian seller that have heard Hifimans in comparison to Audeze with 8 customers and another slovakian seller, all of them were amazed by Audeze and didn't enjoy hifimans very much. I was surprised but he told me that he would never spend 700USD on HE-500. However, LCD-2's quality fully justify the price of 1000USD (1000EURO in SK) for him

 

I do not take it as a clear thing but do not think everyone loves Hifiman... If you want a proof, I can resend you the e-mail I have received from him.

 

To clear up: They have heard Audeze LCD-2 and LCD-2 along with HE-500. The seller himself heard HE-6 as well... Didn't like them much as well. He would put LCD-2 over all Hifimans...

 

 

I can not dispute any claims of HE-500s vs. LCDs.  However, more times than not the HE-5LE and the HE-6s are not compared equally to other headphones.  Most of the time they're compare on the same headphone amp = not good for the HE-6 and HE-5LE. IMO.

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post #1221 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:30am
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No need to hear them...

 

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post #1222 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:34am
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I can not dispute any claims of HE-500s vs. LCDs.  However, more times than not the HE-5LE and the HE-6s are not compared equally to other headphones.  Most of the time they're compare on the same headphone amp = not good for the HE-6 and HE-5LE. IMO.

 

I do not think Hifimans are bad... I only gave your friend an example that Hifimans are not ultimately loved. That's all, do not take it as I am judging anything by the others' opinion. :-)

 

If that e-mail was written in english, I would just post it here to give anyone an option to fully understand the background and create their own opinion on that :-)

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post #1223 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:34am
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post #1224 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:35am
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I do not think Hifimans are bad... I only gave your friend an example that Hifimans are not ultimately loved. That's all, do not take it as I am judging anything by the others' opinion. :-)

 

If that e-mail was written in english, I would just post it here to give anyone an option to fully understand the background and create their own opinion on that :-)

 

 

O, No  - I was not talking about you.  I was talking about your email and most people when the compare those specific headphones.

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post #1225 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:43am
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O, No  - I was not talking about you.  I was talking about your email and most people when the compare those specific headphones.

 

Yes, I understood... That's difficult and happens everywhere.

 

Anyway, things that I have heard several times about HE-500 vs LCD-2 rev2 (and have read in the e-mail as well): Hifiman HE-500 is worse in terms of separation. Where LCD-2 is fully fluent and you can very well distinguish bass, mids and treble, instruments are rather badly separated and defined with HE-500. Also LCD-2 sounds more balanced when HE-500 can be a bit aggresive in treble (I would say only in comparison between those two phones).

 

But again, I fully recommend HE-500 and LCD-2 rev2 to anyone searching in the region up to 1000USD! Both have their strong regions!


Edited by MHOE - 11/24/12 at 11:45am
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post #1226 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:50am

That's just one or two people's opinions.  Don't let them put words in your mouth.  Differing opinions probably wouldn't sway you much anyways, given how zealous you are towards the LCD-2 in this thread.

 

Just try out more headphones personally before talking about them.

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post #1227 of 3969
11/24/12 at 11:58am
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That's just one or two people's opinions.  Don't let them put words in your mouth.  Differing opinions probably wouldn't sway you much anyways, given how zealous you are towards the LCD-2 in this thread.

 

Just try out more headphones personally before talking about them.

 

Well, if 10 people (including two official headphone sellers) say they would take LCD-2 rev2 anytime over HE-500, it starts to be a bit suspicious...

 

But honestly, their opinion does not matter to me. I have found my desired pair of headphones in LCD-2 rev2 and this means I am never going to buy HE-500 or HE-6. I just wanted to mention things that I have heard about those two phones (LCD-2 vs HE-500) often and were mentioned in the e-mail from the seller as well.

 

By the way, measurement speaks for rev2 as well... But of course, LCD-2 rev2 costs 1000USD, HE-500 700USD.


Edited by MHOE - 11/24/12 at 12:01pm
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post #1228 of 3969
11/24/12 at 12:07pm

Likewise I could find you 10 more people on this forum who would prefer the HE-500 or HE-6 over the LCD-2 because they like the small treble spike they have compared to the recessed treble the LCD-2 has.  There is nothing suspicious at work, just differing preferences in audio quality.

 

Measurements speak for the HE-500 and HE-6 as well.  Please do not counter this line with that LCD-2 measurement paper with your tapered green line, the thread's seen it more than enough.

 

LCD-2 costing 1000 and HE-500 costing 700 should have little to do with it.  Never take price into consideration for hi-fi stuff, because half the time, something more expensive might get out-performed by something less expensive.

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post #1229 of 3969
11/24/12 at 12:10pm
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I'm 95% sure what one of those two headphones will be (coughoneoftheheadphonesinmysignaturecough), no idea what the other one may be though.

Wait a second here... rolleyes.gif u have a he500 with grill mod? How did that change the sound for the better? .what did u change? Just curious. biggrin.gif
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post #1230 of 3969
11/24/12 at 12:19pm
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Measurements speak for the HE-500 and HE-6 as well.  Please do not counter this line with that LCD-2 measurement paper with your tapered green line, the thread's seen it more than enough.

 

Oh really?

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE500.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE6.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudezeLCD2Rev2.pdf

 

 - 30Hz is rather a joke with HE-500 and HE-6 in comparison with rev2 (bass quality)

 - 300Hz square shows ringing with all those three phones but LCD-2 rev2 are the most controlled pair here (overall imaging, the lowest level of harshness)

 - Impulse response is way the most natural and fastest with rev2 (speed/decay/clarity)

 - %THD to noise is very good with all the three cans, rev2 still the best but HE-6 very near (control, transparency)

 - There is no spike involved with rev2... Balanced sound


Edited by MHOE - 11/24/12 at 12:21pm
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