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post #1036 of 4937
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

I like that every single sentence in your text is based on your hearing only... FR graph of LCD-2 is for sure more neutral across the bass and mids than of both LCD3 and HD800. It's perfectly neutral, not almost. You only need to correct treble a bit in order to achieve ideal FR graph.

 

Perfectly neutral phones do not exist... And if I feel that I have finally heard one, I would definitely not shout it loud out without having objective arguments in order to support it.

 

This only prove that what is neutral to one, doesnt need to be neutral to others... FR graphs are nice and all, but obviously we all have different ears... So they do not necessary represent what we perceive as "neutral"

post #1037 of 4937
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

 

This only prove that what is neutral to one, doesnt need to be neutral to others... FR graphs are nice and all, but obviously we all have different ears... So they do not necessary represent what we perceive as "neutral"

 

Of course we all have different ears but this fact does not apply to assessing neutrality of any gear... Your ears are not processing the incoming signal in the neutral way ALL THE TIME and so for you neutrality is how you perceive the sound every day (even though it's not neutrality in the theoretical point of view).

 

This way, only accurate and neutral gear is going to let you receive technically neutral sound and your ears are going to process it as usual = you get natural and neutral experience as you understand it from your real life.

 

I suggest using a plugin called TB Isone in order to correct the signal to your head and ears to achieve natural spatial presentation... It is difficult to set all the parameters in ideal way but once you get it right the result is amazing. However, from my experience, the plugin only works properly with near-to-neutral FR (so I doubt phones like Grado are going to sound natural with the plugin).


Edited by MHOE - 11/17/12 at 5:18am
post #1038 of 4937

Man....  Did you even take a nap??

post #1039 of 4937
MHOE, Isone pro colors the signal too much making the headphones lose their neutrality altogether. I have a feeling that Isone pro will work better with flat frequency response cans without a DF curve added but still it seems a little phasey. I've tried calibrating it for months without success. Its only a novelty IMO and not for long term use.
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Man....  Did you even take a nap??

 

I wonder what is worse - trying to be objective and on the topic all the time, or messing all threads by irrelevant and uninformative posts like you do in the last two days. If you don't agree with me, you can still both ignore my opinion or support your objections with at least some evidence. Maybe I should start to post emoticons and pictures all the time as well...? wink.gif

post #1041 of 4937
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post

MHOE, Isone pro colors the signal too much making the headphones lose their neutrality altogether. I have a feeling that Isone pro will work better with flat frequency response cans without a DF curve added but still it seems a little phasey. I've tried calibrating it for months without success. Its only a novelty IMO and not for long term use.

 

This is your experience... Isone is definitely not going to work better with completely flat FR graph phones. TB Isone works near-to-perfect if you know how to use the plugin correctly. THAT is my experience.

 

It offers both excellent crossfeed only correction, or natural spatial effect.


Edited by MHOE - 11/17/12 at 6:22am
post #1042 of 4937
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

I wonder what is worse - trying to be objective and on the topic all the time, or messing all threads by irrelevant and uninformative posts like you do in the last two days. If you don't agree with me, you can still both ignore my opinion or support your objections with at least some evidence. Maybe I should start to post emoticons and pictures all the time as well...? wink.gif

 

400

 

 

Like that.....biggrin.gif


Edited by preproman - 11/17/12 at 6:34am
post #1043 of 4937

Trying to keep up with the "topic" popcorn.gif

 

Hoping this doesn't turn into "Battle Of Opinions (50+ Man Debating)" blink.gif

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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

Don't know. But it's 0422 hours on the West coast (California) and I'm only now getting around to my listening session in 30 minutes. It will be a hot & fast 90 minute session!

Earlier, I decided to forgo the session and clean the entire house - now free for a Saturday filled with College Football and no chores remaining. wink.gif
Funny..when i logged out i also went down to listen to some music..and i fell alseep..only to awake at 10:00 am..hahaha wink.gif
post #1045 of 4937
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

Don't know. But it's 0422 hours on the West coast (California) and I'm only now getting around to my listening session in 30 minutes. It will be a hot & fast 90 minute session!

Earlier, I decided to forgo the session and clean the entire house - now free for a Saturday filled with College Football and no chores remaining. wink.gif
Funny..when i logged out i also went down to listen to some music..and i fell alseep..only to awake at 10:00 am..hahaha wink.gif

 

My session is w-a-y late, began @ 0500 hrs! blink.gif I have to get up 'round 12 noon, so just 40 more minutes and I'm OUT. And you know what they say...Time flies when you're having fun.

 

All on my Zeus re-cabled D7000 XLR-Balanced (4x22), I might add...


Edited by Silent One - 11/17/12 at 7:21am
post #1046 of 4937
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

This is your experience... Isone is definitely not going to work better with completely flat FR graph phones. TB Isone works near-to-perfect if you know how to use the plugin correctly. THAT is my experience.

It offers both excellent crossfeed only correction, or natural spatial effect.

Yes my experience of course. If You were to use DF field cans and add the FR that Isone uses try and measure the response since you seem to be a measurement guy. If there were a perfectly flat FR headphone though I can totally imagine that it would transform it to an almost flawless DF response with the right delays making the sound seem speaker like without too much hollowness like it does with DF eqd cans.
post #1047 of 4937
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post


Yes my experience of course. If You were to use DF field cans and add the FR that Isone uses try and measure the response since you seem to be a measurement guy. If there were a perfectly flat FR headphone though I can totally imagine that it would transform it to an almost flawless DF response with the right delays making the sound seem speaker like without too much hollowness like it does with DF eqd cans.

 

Yes, I agree here that I should support my opinion about TB Isone by measurements as well (and understand your point)... Unfortunately, I am not able to do them - my knowledge and gear are limited to my needs as I am mainly a non-critical listener right now. I have done some recording but I still do not have enough money to get more into it.

 

Honestly, I don't think there is any better way how to recreate the speaker like sound with headphones to this extent if we are talking about 2 channel audio. Maybe some speaker-phones e.g. K1000 - however, I doubt about correct bass interpretation here. And EQing bass on them is most probably going to be at best problematic...

 

TB Isone is not perfect but it offers a perfectly treated environment of different kinds (studio, outside, anechoic room) + corrections to your ears and head in order to achieve impressive results especially if you are willing to purchase a near-to-neutral pair of headphones and correct their non-ideal areas in FR graph... This is only to my ears, of course.

 

Still, if you are suspicious about the spatial intepretation of TB Isone (I was as well in the past), I suggest to use the plugin as the best crossfeed I have ever heard...


Edited by MHOE - 11/17/12 at 7:51am
post #1048 of 4937
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Originally Posted by MHOE View Post

 

I like that every single sentence in your text is based on your hearing only... FR graph of LCD-2 is for sure more neutral across the bass and mids than of both LCD3 and HD800. It's perfectly neutral, not almost. You only need to correct treble a bit in order to achieve ideal FR graph.

 

Perfectly neutral phones do not exist... And if I feel that I have finally heard one, I would definitely not shout it loud out without having objective arguments in order to support it.

I clearly stated on a few occasions "on my own hearing", so I don't want people to take it as condescension. It's just what I personally hear and don't want to discourage people. I do recommend anyone who has a chance to hear the headphones though.

post #1049 of 4937
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I clearly stated on a few occasions "on my own hearing", so I don't want people to take it as condescension. It's just what I personally hear and don't want to discourage people. I do recommend anyone who has a chance to hear the headphones though.

 

Ok, understand and agree.

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Ok guys back to normal programming. Question... Stax 507... Which amps work well with them and which amps do not?
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