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post #1741 of 3766
12/18/12 at 1:13pm
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This is one of the best comparisons I've ever read. 

 

Chris - nice to see you here on Head Fi..

 

+2!

 

HF & CA always makes my daily-double...


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post #1742 of 3766
12/18/12 at 1:40pm
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+2!

 

HF & CA always makes my daily-double...

 

 

Ha ha ha  Me to.  And the J. River forums..

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post #1743 of 3766
12/18/12 at 3:06pm

Thanks for the massive and comprehensive review David!

 

Have you had a chance to listen to the r2 LCD2? If you have, is there a big difference, and how would you rank it now? I

 

I'm upgrading from the 650 and am deciding between the LCD2 and HD800, concerned about the narrower sound stage and the thinness/brightness respectively.

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post #1744 of 3766
12/18/12 at 4:49pm
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Thanks for the massive and comprehensive review David!

 

Have you had a chance to listen to the r2 LCD2? If you have, is there a big difference, and how would you rank it now? I

 

I'm upgrading from the 650 and am deciding between the LCD2 and HD800, concerned about the narrower sound stage and the thinness/brightness respectively.

I haven't heard the LCD-2 Revision 2 yet.  According to Sankar at Audez'e, the difference is minimal, though the second revision has a slightly thinner diaphragm and ultimately a superior transient response. However, the differences according to him are marginal.  I don't know if that would affect the ranking, though I suspect, if it did, it wouldn't' be tremendous.

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post #1745 of 3766
12/18/12 at 7:51pm

Man after reading this shootout I got so depressed.

 

Especially at the beginning about the $30k DAC he used.   Ok, so I can drop 10Gs and get a digital studio, I can have the BEST audio interface, (RME, etc. etc.) but my digital files will never ever sound like the performance we captured. 

 

Man going from sin waves to 1s and 0s drives me nuts.  Because its like where do you draw the line.  I appreciate that homeboy went all out on his amps because of you do care enough

and are rich enough to spend 4k on some cans, you've just gotten the low down. 

 

I started looking at the top end ones had a heart attack now I'm looking at the top deals. 

 

Is there anyway you designed this shootout so you can update it over time as models of headphones get introduced and retired.  It'd be cool to have one spot to check when buying cans instead of reading amazon reviews by 14 year olds.

 

Thanks,

 

p.s. no offense to 14 year olds, I was probably smarter then. 

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post #1746 of 3766
12/18/12 at 8:09pm
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Man after reading this shootout I got so depressed.

 

Especially at the beginning about the $30k DAC he used.   Ok, so I can drop 10Gs and get a digital studio, I can have the BEST audio interface, (RME, etc. etc.) but my digital files will never ever sound like the performance we captured. 

 

Man going from sin waves to 1s and 0s drives me nuts.  Because its like where do you draw the line.  I appreciate that homeboy went all out on his amps because of you do care enough

and are rich enough to spend 4k on some cans, you've just gotten the low down. 

 

I started looking at the top end ones had a heart attack now I'm looking at the top deals. 

 

Is there anyway you designed this shootout so you can update it over time as models of headphones get introduced and retired.  It'd be cool to have one spot to check when buying cans instead of reading amazon reviews by 14 year olds.

 

Thanks,

 

p.s. no offense to 14 year olds, I was probably smarter then. 

Please, don't let it depress you.

 

I plan to update the thread now and then.  And I will have one headphone added to list in the upcomng week.  

 

However, I've made a decision that around the number 70 I will retire the review (at least the purchasing of headphones).  I may choose continue to update the review with loaners, but I probably will eventually retire the review.

 

Another thing to think about (though unrelated) is that in 10 years, I suspect that "the science of digital" will advance so far from where it is now that a DAC equivalent to my own will be able  to found less than half the value it is now.  

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post #1747 of 3766
12/18/12 at 9:46pm
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homeboy went all out on his amps

 

Lulz biggrin.gif

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post #1748 of 3766
12/19/12 at 7:14am

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post #1749 of 3766
12/19/12 at 11:59am

David, wow, what an amazing review in every single way! Thank you!

 

Have you done a review on the V-Moda M-100s? I'd really love your thoughts on these. I just purchased these. I was expecting a huge soundstage, but don't seem to hear it. I'm no audiophile whatsoever, and it seems crazy that I of all people would be more picky than the masses who have spent so much time at Headfi. Someone else had mentioned that the soundstage was deep as in long, but not wide. Once I heard that, it made great sense, and I could finally envision the soundtage from that perspective. Am I nuts, or is this a valid observation?

 

Also, based on your review, I am interested in the HiFi Man HE-500. How would that compare to the M-100? I listen to pop/rock, adult contemporary, classical, broadway tunes. I do like bass, not a real big fan of flat sound, but really want clarity and spaciousness with tight solid bass. Since you are an audio engineer, I also suffer from mild-medium hearing loss, I think highest loss in the mids, with loud ringing in both ears. I'd have to pull out my chart for actual figures, if you'd be willing to take a look.

 

I'm still searching for that perfect sound where everything is wow. Maybe the O2 amp will help with the M-100. Will find out in a few days.


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post #1750 of 3766
12/19/12 at 12:51pm

Looking to upgrade from the Sennheiser HD-598 To either the HD-650 or HE-500  Or if it would actually be worth getting the LCD-2's

 

How would you compare the midbass impact, detail from bass guitar,drums etc between them.

I love the HD-598 for the most part but the treble does tend to be a little much for me at times.

 

Great review.

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post #1751 of 3766
12/19/12 at 4:50pm

 

So after seeing this all I could think about were two things.

 

1) Class 1 Felony Theft.

 

2) Earthquakes.

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post #1752 of 3766
12/19/12 at 5:03pm

David,

 

All this talk about the HE-400.  You just might want to do the HE-4 as well.  It's a detail monster.

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post #1753 of 3766
12/19/12 at 6:28pm
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David, wow, what an amazing review in every single way! Thank you!

 

Have you done a review on the V-Moda M-100s? I'd really love your thoughts on these. I just purchased these. I was expecting a huge soundstage, but don't seem to hear it. I'm no audiophile whatsoever, and it seems crazy that I of all people would be more picky than the masses who have spent so much time at Headfi. Someone else had mentioned that the soundstage was deep as in long, but not wide. Once I heard that, it made great sense, and I could finally envision the soundtage from that perspective. Am I nuts, or is this a valid observation?

 

Also, based on your review, I am interested in the HiFi Man HE-500. How would that compare to the M-100? I listen to pop/rock, adult contemporary, classical, broadway tunes. I do like bass, not a real big fan of flat sound, but really want clarity and spaciousness with tight solid bass. Since you are an audio engineer, I also suffer from mild-medium hearing loss, I think highest loss in the mids, with loud ringing in both ears. I'd have to pull out my chart for actual figures, if you'd be willing to take a look.

 

I'm still searching for that perfect sound where everything is wow. Maybe the O2 amp will help with the M-100. Will find out in a few days.

I have neither done a review, nor heard the M100.  Therefore, I'm not sure if you're nuts :)

Without having heard the M100, I'm pretty confident that they serve a different purpose from the HE-500.  The HE-500 is not really suited towards portable application, while the M100 is.  It wouldn't be fair of me to say that the HE-500 is a higher end headphone without having heard the M100, but my instincts lead me to believe they are in different classes.  Again, there's no real point in valuing my opinion on this matter since I've had about as much time wearing the M100 as I have high-heels :) 

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Looking to upgrade from the Sennheiser HD-598 To either the HD-650 or HE-500  Or if it would actually be worth getting the LCD-2's

 

How would you compare the midbass impact, detail from bass guitar,drums etc between them.

I love the HD-598 for the most part but the treble does tend to be a little much for me at times.

 

Great review.

 

The HD650 has the a fuller tone.  The LCD-2 may be a happy medium between the HD650 and the HE500... fuller than the HE-500, but quicker than the HD650.

 

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So after seeing this all I could think about were two things.

 

1) Class 1 Felony Theft.

 

2) Earthquakes.

Quite the optimist you are ha

 

3) Insurance :)

 

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David,

 

All this talk about the HE-400.  You just might want to do the HE-4 as well.  It's a detail monster.

We shall see! :)

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post #1754 of 3766
12/19/12 at 9:44pm
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So after seeing this all I could think about were two things.

 

1) Class 1 Felony Theft.

 

2) Earthquakes.

The guy has two HD-800's just because one makes a small noise when moving them around.

 

Schiit, ima go drive my ferrari, a small rock is ganna hit the front bumper, ima buy a new car, yolo.

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post #1755 of 3766
12/19/12 at 9:52pm
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The guy has two HD-800's just because one makes a small noise when moving them around.

 

Schiit, ima go drive my ferrari, a small rock is ganna hit the front bumper, ima buy a new car, yolo.

Dude, im drunk and almost pissed myself cuz I laughed so hard at this. But WTH....YOLO SWAG!!!

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