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This shows my problem with these headphones. There is almost a difference of 20dB in the mids from the highest to the lowest point. The type of EQ/correctional curve applied to the measurement doesn't matter as it's a relative comparison withhin. 20dB of a difference in the mids by itself is already horrible, but the mids fall of in the MOST IMPORTANT area for the human hearing and voice , at 1-2khz. This does not make any sense at all. You could try to argue that it's a headphone made for loud listening so they don't emphasise this sensitive area... but as you can also see the treble will go off on you far far before you reach any peaks in the vocal area

 

So while the HP200 has a difference 20dB in the mids, the HD650 has a difference of 7dB from the same area (200hz-2khz) mostly due to it's boosted bass. Overall the HD650 has much more linear mids:

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=853&scale=30

 

These 2 headphones don't have much in common.


Edited by bizkid - 7/14/13 at 4:54am
post #47 of 107

Anyone know where these are being sold?

post #48 of 107
Thread Starter 

contact soundmagic personally

post #49 of 107

Good luck trying to contact them by e-mail. I have been waiting a month for a reply from 'Tony' to a simple question about the warranty. 

post #50 of 107

Still burning in my HP200 but I find them more analytical and much brighter in the treble than the HP100. The bass is less extended as well, but the mids are more open and clearer. I listen mainly to Classical and the 200's are very good for chamber music, provided the violins are not recorded overly bright. They also excel with complex choral writing when they dissect out the various voices better than I have ever heard before. Soundstage is a bit wider than the 100's but not as much as you might expect. One other thing I like about the 200's is they feel much more robust than the 100's and there is no issue of having to constantly wipe away my fingermarks from the cups, something that irritates me about the 100's (that's a personal thing of course).

post #51 of 107
Thread Starter 
Yes they are brighter than the HP100, and yes the soundstage is only a bit wider, but I prefer the HP200 because of the slightly brighter and more detailed sound.
post #52 of 107

Yes, I like the HP200 for the same reasons, but I don't prefer them to the HP100 in all circumstances.

For instance, the bass of the HP200 makes an initial greater impact than the HP100 because it is so much tighter and better defined, within its more open soundstage. However, it is not nearly as deep. For instance, in Bach's Toccata and Fugue in F, BWV540, played by Simon Preston,(DG), the low C organ bass pedal is almost inaudible with the HP200, you have to strain to hear it, whilst it is clearly defined with the HP100, DT880, K701, M50, and several other cans.

Actually, I think the two HP's are complimentary and you could make good use of both if your musical tastes are eclectic. The sweet, 'to die for' treble of the HP100 is very special with high string instruments like violins and in some ways the HP200 has made me appreciate the virtues of the HP100 even more.

As for the HD650- well that's another story......


Edited by HOWIE13 - 8/31/13 at 1:22am
post #53 of 107
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Originally Posted by ostewart View Post

Their entry into full size has been great, but unknown, which is a shame. They make excellent products for the price, these and the HP100 punch above their price, also their comfort and build quality is above average


Ostewart,

 

(I talked to you the other day about an Amp for the Shure SHR840's.)

 

I was considering buying the HT100's blindly until I heard the AKG 550's today.

(It is said that the 550's are close to the sound of the 100's.)

But unfortunately I guess I didn't get a proper seal as the 550's sounded very thin and weak scaring me off.

So I ended up choosing the SHR840's for their transparency and somewhat decent low end.

 

Now it's bugging me that I should take a leap of faith and return the 840's while I can and buy the HT100's thinking they're the better headphone.

Are the 100's as tough to get a good seal as the 550's?

 

Bottom line is I'm looking for a phone that can do double duty...

1) Aid me in mixing my music (neutrality needed)

2) Use with my Oppo 95 (another Chinese bang for the buck) for music and CDs. (maybe with a little Amp to boost and warm up the cans for a more pleasing sound.)

 

 

I'm aware that China is putting out great value today as I bought the Little Dot III awhile ago and the 100's are only $20.00US more than the SHR840's.

 

Any input will be greatly appreciated...by anyone. :)


Edited by Koukol - 2/5/14 at 8:26pm
post #54 of 107

Anyone compared HP200 with AD900X headphones?

Any opinions on HP200 for gaming?

post #55 of 107
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Originally Posted by Koukol View Post
 


Ostewart,

 

(I talked to you the other day about an Amp for the Shure SHR840's.)

 

I was considering buying the HT100's blindly until I heard the AKG 550's today.

(It is said that the 550's are close to the sound of the 100's.)

But unfortunately I guess I didn't get a proper seal as the 550's sounded very thin and weak scaring me off.

So I ended up choosing the SHR840's for their transparency and somewhat decent low end.

 

Now it's bugging me that I should take a leap of faith and return the 840's while I can and buy the HT100's thinking they're the better headphone.

Are the 100's as tough to get a good seal as the 550's?

 

Bottom line is I'm looking for a phone that can do double duty...

1) Aid me in mixing my music (neutrality needed)

2) Use with my Oppo 95 (another Chinese bang for the buck) for music and CDs. (maybe with a little Amp to boost and warm up the cans for a more pleasing sound.)

 

 

I'm aware that China is putting out great value today as I bought the Little Dot III awhile ago and the 100's are only $20.00US more than the SHR840's.

 

Any input will be greatly appreciated...by anyone. :)

 

I've owned (and eventually sold) all three of these headphones.

 

Personally, as for your purposes,, I'd recommend the 840's.

A nice warm-ish sound with a good amount of detail and decent soundstage

for closed headphones.

 

Made in China, BTW.  :)

(As are the 550's and the 100's.)

post #56 of 107
Thread Starter 

The HP100 won't be difficult to get a good seal, the cups are round like beyerdynamics. They would be a little step up from the SRH840

post #57 of 107
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Originally Posted by zazex View Post
 

 

I've owned (and eventually sold) all three of these headphones.

 

Personally, as for your purposes,, I'd recommend the 840's.

A nice warm-ish sound with a good amount of detail and decent soundstage

for closed headphones.

 

Made in China, BTW.  :)

(As are the 550's and the 100's.)


Thanks for the reply, Zazex,

 

There's a new wrinkle in this for me now.

 

I spent some time with the 840's last night and damn...these suckers hurt!

Not only the the pads dig in but the headband feels like it has zero cushioning with these heavy phones.

I don't think I can live with the 840's now

 

So since you've had both can you describe the similarities and differences between them?

post #58 of 107
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Originally Posted by ostewart View Post
 

The HP100 won't be difficult to get a good seal, the cups are round like beyerdynamics. They would be a little step up from the SRH840


Great to hear...thanks!

post #59 of 107
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Originally Posted by Koukol View Post
 


Thanks for the reply, Zazex,

 

There's a new wrinkle in this for me now.

 

I spent some time with the 840's last night and damn...these suckers hurt!

Not only the the pads dig in but the headband feels like it has zero cushioning with these heavy phones.

I don't think I can live with the 840's now

 

So since you've had both can you describe the similarities and differences between them?

A condensed reply, at least for now

If you want more info, just let me know

 

I liked the HP100's very much, except the bass where to me

they lacked sufficient depth and impact.  But nice soundstage,

very good detail, and a clean, clear sound that was very

attractive.  If the bass was tuned differently, I certainly would

have kept them.

 

(no, I am not a basshead...)

 

 

The K550's sounded odd somehow - something weird with the

sound signature that's not easy for me to articulate.

 

When they sealed well, and were placed "just so", they sounded OK

although rather thin throughout the range. 

But getting a good seal was a tricky thing to do.  I noticed in

the relevant threads at the time I owned them that many others

commented on the fit issue as well. 

Good soundstage though for closed headphones. 

Pretty comfortable, too.

 

 

BTW - yes,, the 840's are heavy clunkers no doubt.

Still, though, as I posted above, I think they are quite

good closed headphones soundwise in their price range.

The set I had was well padded and pretty comfortable

despite the weight.  That was more than a year ago -

wondering if they're less padded now?  Anyway, if

you can't wear them because they're too uncomfortable,

that's that for that - they've got to go.  It's very rare for

headphones to become more comfortable over time

IME.

 

So, I think you're best looking away from these three.

 

I recommend that you try the new NAD HP50's, which

I like very much despite their strange appearance.

Excellent sound and good comfort (though, of course,

others disagree on that - you can take a look at their

main thread here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646735/nad-viso-hp50-another-superb-headphone-from-paul-barton/660#post_10222968

 

Another closed headphone I like: the Yamaha MT220's.

Not getting a lot of mention but very solid value IMO.

 

And then there are the very, very good Sony MDR-7520's

http://www.head-fi.org/t/682534/sony-mdr-7520/870#post_10236075

More expensive than the others mentioned here but well worth it IMO.

 

Finally, a couple I'm looking forward to hearing as they're getting

some very fine reviews here on Head-Fi and elsewhere:

The new Focal Spirit Pro, which at $349. seems to be

a great deal, and the AKG 545. 

post #60 of 107

See next post :)


Edited by Koukol - 2/6/14 at 2:29pm
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